@Tarith: Wait, you just put Arrallae in the bag of holding? I asked earlier and you mentioned she was in some random pocket, not pocket dimension. If that is the case, please confirm, as this is important.
I put her in the backpack before leaving the vault, as I figured that would be safer. Perhaps not such a good idea... Ah well...
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the backpack is extra-dimensional space, but it does not trigger the bag of holding + hole effect.
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Listing everything that would have fallen. I don't really think they could see the gauntlet in it all.
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Dantie, no explosion, and doing that would give an aao to Nerine, and getting it out of the pile of stuff could be a bit tricky.
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not without an overrun he won't.
or a sleight of hand check to beat Tarith's counter check.
Sadly, it doesn't work like that.
if you are nowhere near Tarith, how are you making such a move?
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If someone misses grabbing the gauntlet and it keeps falling, Xander will mage hand(quicken if needed) and try to grab it, hopefully ensuring Nerine and Lucian don't get it, even tho ooc its not there target, IC it seems likely they will try to take it.
ooc and Ic I think they will try to take it. I think we need a ruling by Alan here.
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my reactive check gets counter, and I don't think you are within 90 feet, and you don't know about the falling gauntlet, as you are behind the church, and Tarith is in front.
Also, celerity>init
Translation: Poor Dantie can't get the gauntlet, as Tarith gets a chance to grab it(probably, although it might make sense to use a reflex save, dm call), and he can cast lesser celerity, giving him a move action to pick it up
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only said they don't in OOC because Alan said it wasn't there plan, I think spot checks should be called for first by everyone to see who can pick out the gauntlet among tarith's falling items.
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Shadow guy sees it means in danties eyes u give it to him or he rips it out of your hands. also looks like we may be waiting a while saying alan is now off and I have to leave for work very soon.
and... I don't think Dantie can pull off either one of those plans. Tarith can and will convince Dantie that it is better off in his hands.
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Again that bluff will not work, just like it wouldn't in the vault. Even alan said so. Right now he sees your actions as selfish and evil, all the contents of the bag just spilled Tarith, half of which Dantie did not know you had...You may be able to bluff him on the other stuff, but he will take the gauntlet and does not trust you.
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Things that dantie did not know he had:
3 scimitars, 3 emeralds, 1 ruby, 1 blue gem.
Assuming he can make out the items in question in the mass of falling objects.
It looks like I missed a page of talking, so
AMF: SR applies if you cast the spell while a summon with magic resistance in in it. Entering after it is already cast does not allow a save.
All spells are suppressed, regardless of CL, SR, or anything else.
Also, I see at no point Alan stating that Tarith can't bluff Dantie into believing that Tarith can protect the gauntlet more effectively than Dantie can.
Yes, you get a 20 point boost to your sense motive for an unbelievable lie, but... glibness+max ranks=auto success
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Its beyound unbelievable, its outright against his very church. You are holding what he believes is an artifact of pelors church in your hands. If anything he would want to bring it back to the church himself and not allow anyone to hold it. It would basically be you trying to use a spell command on me. Ineffective.
actually... Tarith can use it as a non-magical suggestion with a dc of 56 vs dantie, so.... Yea, he can indeed persuade Dantie to let him have it.
Immune to Charms (Ex): A church inquisitor of 2nd level or higher is immune to all enchantment (charm) spells and effects.
So, this does not help, as it is a compulsion effect.
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Command would indeed work on Dantie, as he is immune to charm spells, not compulsion spells. 2 very different sub schools.
He would be immune to charm person, but not dominate person, and suggestion and command are more dominate person than charm.
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Well its alans call, but wasting my pass and bringing her back to life will be pointless. His call though. Yea I got the save so I do not die and she is back alive.
as a side note, I'm a little confused as of to why Dantie no longer trusts Tarith, the rogue he has watch grow up, and was just recently reunited with, also Tarith has not been in Dantie's presence the whole game, so telling him the other items are things he found while Dantie wasn't around and planned to bring up once back in justcrown seem perfectly reasonable.
Its not that he does not per say trust Tarith, its that Tariths actions are bending more towards evil and self gain then neutral for him. The items would have to be addressed but dantie would believe. Its the gauntlet that is what is making Dantie like this. Tarith literally just picked it up and pocketed it along with all the blades that belong to Jacob and the people. He is acting evil and is lieing through his teeth, soon Dantie will be throwing a zone of truth on him.
Immune to Charms (Ex): A church inquisitor of 2nd level or higher is immune to all enchantment (charm) spells and effects.
Dantie, you might want to add that little limitation to the description on your character sheet, seeing as that is a serious limitation.
As far as lying through his teeth... At what point has Tarith said that he is going to keep the swords?
And good luck with the zone of truth. Allows a will save, and you need to beat my glibness.
@Alan:
Tarith is watching the gauntlet, not Nerine, so no blinding beauty.
I am assuming that Tarith failed to catch the gauntlet.
Luther's turn now, I do believe.
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Given the situation at hand, Nerine tried using Hold Perso on Tarith. It failed due to being atargeted effect, but he still has to save vs. blindness. Ih fails, he won't be able to see what items are falling and which to catch. dantie could, if he uses a double move, attempt to reach the area where they are. Xander, you could try DD to the area and retrieve at well on your turn. The item glows like sunlight. It can be seen falling.
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