Sorry, she can't count any bonus that is in the following list
Dex(blinking)
Armor, nat armor(wraithstrike)
So she should have a lower AC than touch and flat footed, as she is basically both.
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Yea... Sorry Dantie, but circle of protection denial applies only to summons. Second, Tarith can be very convincing as to who gets the gauntlet, seeing as he managed to convince Jacob to let him have it. Third, you weren't in the room, as you did not fill any of the three roles.
Fourth: Both are epic level characters with max ranks in hide and move silently, so not so much.
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1. Ok can believe that though it makes no sense if it can grant an armor bonus, and block summoned creatures it should be able to do that. After all a silent image spell can be used to hide so makes no sense really.
2. Dantie did not want anyone but those needed in the vault to begin with, wanting it sealed behind him and such and would not have let the seance go on until conditions were meet to protect the villagers outside. He would have probably allowed Xander to scribe but that is it. So you even knowing about a gauntlet to steal would be mote. No one being above knowing there is an army coming...Stupid. And Dantie would not let you leave the vault with the artifact. You know how big of a negative you would get against him. You are taking something he thinks is basically his deity's champion, also it being locked in a vault and the keys broken makes it much safer, for extra measure drop it in a rope trick if wanted. But let Tarith personally take it, no he would not go for it. So against his nature it is not even funny, even with glibness no.
3.As I made it clear before I left Dantie was suppose to be in the room, and Xander even made the point I should be in the room. As a follower of Pelor and thinking this was his Morning Star he would not have let the blow come from anyone else, defiantly when she asked him to. But also as I stated above he would not let the villagers be harmed and so someone would be outside with the vault sealed. Dantie would not let it happen, he made it clear. Very clear.
4. No both are not epic, one I believe is at our very level. Very good skills, I would know I made one. Not sure about the other. And my eyes see through any magic so Move silently yes they would have, but the shadow would be seen for sure, and N. Would have a chance if she was hiding as well as Alan said she was.
@Dantie: The spells are still in effect, protecting the entrance. These two did not go through the door, they used a teleportation spell and begun sneaking around. The giants, however, which are yet to come in play, will have to go through the door, suffering all the effects.
I wish we would've waited for you during the Seance scene, but you were gone and Xander and Tarith moved right in. You would have seen Tarith pocketing the gauntlet, though, since Jacob saw it.
I am fine they went through with it alan, but they someone should have played Dantie. that's all I am saying, he was basically ignored and went against everything he is. Though not sure if my Daylight spell will weaken this guy, here is for good RP idea though of trying to weaken him by taking away what gives him power. And here is my sheet Alan
It is updated for the new spell that I cast. Need to know if the AMF will effect him though, 1d20+caster level please has to beat 20. Probally will but never know. And ouch, this is why the gauntlet should have stayed in the vault or at least been givin to Dantie if Jacob allowed him to guard it XD. Im sure you know what I am getting at Alan. Lets just hope no one tries it though. Only I think me and Xander have a chance at success and even that is small.
I'm hoping Tarith comes to his senses and either uses the gauntlet or tosses it to you. He won't be able to beat Nerine this time. These two are dangerous.
Ohh I know they are, that is why I tried some good old fashion thinking, though it did not seem to do much besides piss of his shadow XD. So does he look like he is in discomfort or anything Alan from the daylight spell. And which check do I use? Need to know for bonus damage and on attack rolls against him, I would say the planes but want to be sure.
Also still need you to roll that 1d20+caster level, unless you did it in private which would mean I beat him and all my spells are good in it.
(1d20+1)[17] Nature The check is needed because Dantie gained spell resistance 20 from the last spell he cast and AMF requires that check to make my stuff not work.
In other news So Tiefling I am hoping, perhaps an elf one making him more powerful. Illusionist wizard maybe,Master specialist highly likely, if not all other levels once requirements are meet most of them. Nightmare spinner, further investigation required. Shadow mage Possible.
And +2 on attack and damage rolls from knowledge devotion, gets transfered to the two of you as well saying we have a mental link you would know all the weakness of the creature I learned.
Hopefully, my 36 and 37 can hit, as I fully suspect the rest will miss. I will list what spells I want to steal when you post the list(I get 2 more)
See you tomorrow.
You hit her on a 37, Tarith. So let me know how many spells you managed to take off her. Also, you mentioned you get access to all her prepared spell list. Does this count for spontaneous casters?
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0: Detect Poison, Light, Know Direction, Read Magic, Resistance, Detect Magic
1st: Entangle, Charm Animal, Obscuring Mist, Pass Without Trace, Babau Slime, Wall of Smoke x3
2nd: Hold Animal, Binding Winds, Salt Ray, Decomposition, Earthbind
3rd: Icelance, Charge of the Triceratops, Tremor, Protection from Energy
4th: Flamestrike x2
Bard:
0: Flare, Mage Hand, Prestidigitation, Message, Songbird, Minor Disguise
1st: Critical Strike, Distort Speech, Invisibility Swift x2
2nd: Hold Person, Mirror Image, Fly Swift, Wave of Grief
3rd: Displacement, Wounding Whispers, Haste, CSW, Globe of Invulnerability Lesser
4th: Dominate Person, Resonating Bolt, Fugue, Hold Monster
5th: Mind Fog, Nightmare, Greater Blinking x2, Mass Suggestion
6th: Geas/Quest, Irresistible Dance, Greater Scrying
Assassin:
1st: true strike, ebon eyes, obscuring mist, sleep
2nd: phantom foe, fell the greatest foe, ice knife, blade of pain and fear
3rd: wraithstrike, fangs of the vampire king, find the gap, amorphous form
4th: heart ripper, cursed blade, freedom of movement, dimension door
Alternatively, if you'd prefer. I have a houserule for initiative, which I have used for years. rather than rolling a d20, you roll a d10. It favors those with less initiative. If you want to use that, let me know.
@Tarith: Just checked on the Craven feat. It's from Champions of Ruin. I don't believe we are using that book.
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Initiative (1d20+6)[15] (add nerve skitter, already added in mine)
Alan, how we roll initiative doesn't matter to much to me, I use a excel spreadsheet programed to automatically reroll new initiatives and reorder the combatants every round, I think it makes things interesting but that wont work as well here.
Dantie, I know your character wanted to be in the room, but as has been common through the game if people aren't around and we are attempting to continue there character just happens to hang out with the party and is only really used of needed in combat. Also out characters personalities are far enough apart that I don't feel comfortable using your guy for RP reasons, and I figured Dantie would be against killing one he believes to be a champion of Pelor.
Xander is invisible, and has no clue how to seal the vault as he was never present when it was opened, and only knows the bow and lute are involved in some way(was NPCed and sent back to town when the scythe was recovered)...and Xander is hiding in the vault.
Tarith having the gauntlet sounds like a good enough idea, since Xander doesn't plan to use it, Tarith has the hugest UMD so the best chance in getting it to work if it has any special requirements. and they wont expect Tarith to have it hidden on him necessarily.
Ok spells first
Sign: Max Initiative
Divine Power: Your base attack bonus becomes = to your class level, +6 enchantment bonus to str,+11hp
Righteous Might: become large, +8 size bonus to STR, +4 Size bonus to Con, +4 to NA
Lesser holy transformation : +2 Sacred bonus to strength and Con, +2 sacred bonus to saves
Visage of the deity : +4 Cha, Smite evil (+8 to attack+12 to damage)
Greater Magic weapon +3 to hit and damage
Haste +30 to movement, 1 extra attack every round at full bab, +1 to attack rolls
Neverskitter+5 bonus to Initiative
Initiative 31
Ok will have to tell him how to.
No not at all. Dantie knows he is a thief so from an in character aspect he is the wost. He still does not fully trust Xander leaving himself and Jacob. Or the vault that is. And he may have the highest UMD but the item is probably divine in nature, not really sure just going of the fact that she was. Meaning Dantie does not need the check. Add in it is at the very least from what we have seen an intelligent items as well as an artifact means should go to the highest will if it is going to be held or used for fear of being taken over by its ego.
@Alan so do not get within 10ft of him. that makes fighting him difficult even with my +2 bonus from knowledge devotion. Yea no matter what I roll at the very least I get a +1, its so fun.
Best thing about CR now we know he is level 16 unless their is cheese, so Wizard 3/Master specialist 10/Nightmare spinner 3
Or
Wizard 3/Master specialist 10/Shadow adept 3 is what I think we are looking at.
1. Just read the spell description
2. Dantie, the point of bluff is making something seem to be a good idea. I think the hard part would have been persuading Dantie to let Tarith have the gauntlet, although we are probably better off if Dantie has it, but meh.
4. 12d6 sneak attack with a shaped AMF. Either a SA build followed by 11 levels of full casting... or higher level than that. Epic
nerine: 7 levels of nymph+6levels of Bard+x levels of assassin: probably epic.
If a 37 does not hit...(me rolling a 17 with an attack bonus of 20...)
Then Tarith is just going to leave, as there is no way for him to damage her.
In order to do that, since deflection does not stack, and assuming she has 5 ac from elsewhere, she would need a deflection bonus of 22, which means a cha of 54, which we know she does not have, as the DC for her mass blind is only 29.(cha 18(base, assuming she has an 18 in everything at base), +8 for nymph, so 26, and say... +6 for levels, so 34, which leaves a cloak of +20 which would be unaffordable.
Nerine does not get her armor, dex, or nat armor bonus to armor, as wraithstrike denies the armors, and blink denies dex(and no, uncanny dodge does not help)
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Wraithstriking, and missing on a 36. That leaves little point in this battle, as Tarith is not going to be able to hit her.
Never Good.
I will remove the craven feat, and replace it with... something.
Assuming I only hit once, I should know her 4th level spells only, as she has dimension door, and I am stealing D-Door as a SLA and as a spell
I think using a d20 is a better plan, as it actually favors those with less init, as rolling well can make up for a low init, whereas a +14 is the equivalent of a +28
Spells
Alter self: +6 NA
Shield +4 shield
Glibness: +30 to bluff, truth detection is not reliable
Freedom of movement
Haste
Fly
Lucien with a 12d6 sneak attack basically makes him epic, as he also has either 4th level cleric casting, of 6th level wizard.
[roll]1d20+10[roll] init.
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forgot to post active buffs.
Mage Armor, fly, shield, Nightshield, invisibility,
Alter self(Troglodyte ), Haste, see invisibility, nerveskitter, and greater magic weapon on staff
init try 2(1d20+10)[22]
right. She is blinking as well.
Well, time to leave, seeing as Tarith can no longer contribute to this battle.
Dantie, an AMF makes no rolls. All spells and magical items do not function in one. Period.
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Right then. Tarith now has Staggering Strike instead of Craven.
If he sneak attacks an opponent, they need to make a fort save vs damage dealt to avoid being staggered(can only make a move or standard action each round, no full round actions.)
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@Alan, about Nerine's Spell List
Bard is a spontaneous casting class
so she has an incorrect spell list, as she has either
6 0th levels known
5 1st level spells known(she currently has 3)
5 2nd level spells known(she currently has 4
5 good
4 Also Good
4 She does not need 2 copies of greater Blink
5 good
so, level 18 bard, 7 levels of nymph, at least 10 levels of assassin, and 7 La
so ECL 42, Level of 35, giving her a +8 to cha from levels, and an insane amount of gold(somewhere in the region of 16 million(assuming PC wealth)
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Just read through the whole spell, that is...broken. If a summed creature has SR it gets a chance, but if a normal person does it does not matter? 3.5 is odd.
As for Lucian I know he has to be at the very least a caster 12, with practiced spellcaster to get the 16. Or have the feat twice for level 8. So what level does a rogue get +12d6 SA..at 19 he only has 10 so yea kind of courisou myself now alan. I know their is spells that do something similar, but his shadow shouldn't even have that much.
And correction thought i made her, guess only made V. So yea we are in trouble...Because I have no idea how she has an AC of 37 with only Def.
If she has improved uncanny, she has dodge as well, and any non-standard effects still apply, such as insight, profane, sacred.
She also is a ecl 42, so her AC is actually very low.
Unearthly Grace adds her CHA mod to he deflection, and since she has a CHA mod that is probably in excess of 50, that is ac 35 right there.
Epic rogue would get 12d6 SA at level 23, but...
Might make more sense for an arcane trickster, so
minimum without taking one level in all of the +sa classes, and 10 levels in arcane trickster
so, 14th level rogue, 5th level wiz, 10 levels in arcane trickster gets you the seen effects, and assuming he is comparable to Nerine, he has another 14 levels to go somewhere.
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and you hit on a 37...So there is a +2 somewhere. I got an idea, Dispel magic on her, steal 1 from me. Smack me in the face XD. While doing so sleight of hand placing gauntlet on Dantie XD.
Dantie has +20 Natural
+3 from Greater magic weapon
+1 From the +1 mace I am using
+1 from haste
So +25 to hit
So full round attack is 25/25/21/16
Meaning I need to roll a 12 or higher at the least to hit her. And thats with wraith strike....Hope she does not have a lot from dex and such otherwise yea...no way to hit her, why bishop was so great, lift tree and drop it on her...Oh wait I can do that. Tarith if I help you flank her you think we could take her down? An additional +2 to hit for both of us, and sneak attack all the time. I am more worried about Lucian. Me and Xander can't do anything to him until his spell goes down, and well your sneak attack vs his shadow highly bad. And because he has a shaped AMF that means Archmage as well.
Dantie, she is a level 18 bard. Dispel magic is not going to get the job done.
If you cast it, you get 1d20+14 vs 29, and if she has practiced spellcaster in there, you need a 33, which is the same as not going to happen.
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Epic rogue would get 12d6 SA at level 23, but...
Might make more sense for an arcane trickster, so
minimum without taking one level in all of the +sa classes, and 10 levels in arcane trickster
so, 14th level rogue, 5th level wiz, 10 levels in arcane trickster gets you the seen effects, and assuming he is comparable to Nerine, he has another 14 levels to go somewhere.
I also said a minimum CHA of 50ish now(was lower before)
could be 54.
Also, everyone, there comes a time to run away. Nerine will sneak attack everyone but Tarith into oblivion in one round. This is a battle that we can't win, even if it was against Nerine alone.
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Dispel magic can't hurt, it effected V. who was suppose to be stronger then her. And AMF is 10min/Level so pointless to fight him. Hmm, challenge his army to combat against the towns. He seems like he has a set code of conduct, and would enjoy showing he is more powerful then they are...Possible.The problem is IC we do not know who calls the shots him or her. Only one way to find out if they do not run away.
We can't win this fight. Even against Nerine alone, we are screwed. We can't hit her, and she will kill both of you in a round, and Tarith once his blink is gone.
We beat Varian because you could suppress his magical items, and he was a much lower level than Nerine apparently is now(ECL 27 vs ECL 42)
You can't suppress her items, as blink will stop that, plus they will have a much higher CL.
Discretion is the better part of valor
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I can use the gauntlet and bring her back...But it requires a lot...If I do not get a high roll I die, out of the three of us though I have the best chance of success at using not only its powers but triggering it to activate her coming back to life. Will DC roll of 1d20+22VS DC of Alan>DC1d20+12 to 16.
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