D&D 3e/3.5e/d20The forum for conversations specifically related to the rules and procedures of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition, 3.5 Edition, or any fantasy game using the d20 system or a variant thereof (commercially published or not).
By some weird situation, my character ended up with a charisma ability score of 52 and leveled up 4 times. I am trying to level him up from a level 2 sorcerer to a lvl 6 character, but I am not sure what to do. My other stats are normal (16-20) , and I only have 16hp (@ lvl 2) and a low AC. My ultimate goal would be to power my character with my charisma bonus going towards hp/ac/saves so that he is more likely to survive. Any suggestions regarding feats, prestige classes, spells, etc would be most appreciated!!!
Through this handy list of templetes (from 2005) here it is possible to obtain 52 charisma through intense templete stacking and a level adjustment of +32.
Spoiler
half air +2
half fire +2
half water +2
half celestial +4
half fiend +2
half rakshasa +2
half dragon +2
half fey +4
half nymph +4
fire-souled +4
saint +4
drow +2
base 18
total 52 charisma
Fun fact: that's 8 half-X templetes.
I have no idea how he was able to obtain 52 within a playable amount of LA.
Through this handy list of templetes (from 2005) here it is possible to obtain 52 charisma through intense templete stacking and a level adjustment of +32.
Spoiler
half air +2
half fire +2
half water +2
half celestial +4
half fiend +2
half rakshasa +2
half dragon +2
half fey +4
half nymph +4
fire-souled +4
saint +4
drow +2
base 18
total 52 charisma
Fun fact: that's 8 half-X templetes.
I have no idea how he was able to obtain 52 within a playable amount of LA.
Please, please elaborate on your character.
I mean, 52 cha?
"My other stats or normal" (16-20!?)
"My level 2 sorcerer only has 16 hp @ level 2"?
Those would all pretty insane in any of my games.
__________________
Stefan avatar by Ceika.
"If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!"
- Magus, Chrono Trigger
"If I were going to die, I'd have done it a long time ago.”
- Stefan, Fire Emblem
"I don't need women! I'm a warrior! My love is my sword!"
- Dekar, Lufia
"If I were you, I'd stay away from thoughts like that."
- Guy, Lufia
Through this handy list of templetes (from 2005) here it is possible to obtain 52 charisma through intense templete stacking and a level adjustment of +32.
Spoiler
half air +2
half fire +2
half water +2
half celestial +4
half fiend +2
half rakshasa +2
half dragon +2
half fey +4
half nymph +4
fire-souled +4
saint +4
drow +2
base 18
total 52 charisma
Fun fact: that's 8 half-X templetes.
I have no idea how he was able to obtain 52 within a playable amount of LA.
You could drag it down to probably +28-30 LA if you used the Unseelie Fey template - IIRC, that's +2 CHA. But yeah, it's insanely high. Even stacking artifacts/magic items as well (potentially up to +8 untyped from a Halruuan Elixir, Soul Elixirs, inherent +5...), it's ludicrously high.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos_redefined
It's easy to make something on fire in D&D. Put adventurers near it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornilios
I guess it's better but Anthropomorphic bat sounds like Batman without his dignity
Ok so 52 Charisma on a sorcerer? That is a lot of bonus spells a day. +21 mod.
Bonus spells of 5 level 1 and 4 level 2-9 spells a day.
Ascetic Mage, take 1 level in monk add you charisma mod to your AC. Take 2 levels of Paladin, you get Divine Grace. Add your charisma mod to all saves.
For level 6 you will be 1 monk, 2 paladin, 3 sorcerer. I am assuming your human so this won't take multiclass penalties.
But that's not what I think would be best.
Got given +40 charisma and 4 levels by the DM all at once.
Yep, this is that derp campaign everyone plays when they're new to DnD, with the DM who thinks the point of the game is to hand bonuses to people and then arbitrarily kill them off because they rolled a '1'.
My advice - have fun with it, don't think too hard, you're probably on rails anyway.
And in the Player's Handbook, it will tell you how to level up, just do that four times until you are a level 6 sorcerer.
2 levels of Paladin. Get lay on hands (Charisma mod x Pally levels of healing a day, so like 42 something spare health lying around)
__________________
Admiral Cranthis, Inventor of the Cranthis (Sandwich) and the Gnomish Paratroopers, and rider of Chuckles, the dire pig.
Characters:
Persuade the DM to give you the unearthly grace ability as a feat. If he is letting you get a Cha of 52, that should be easy.
__________________
The difference between a party of adventurers and a ravenous horde of murderhobos: The hobos need that description. For adventurers, it is assumed.
Current Character List:
Spoiler
Characters Alexis, Kingdom of Arim Arianne, World's Transformation Erethiel, Shadows of the Past Eolande, Triple Threat Taren, Red Hand of Doom Liriel, Curious Companions
- Well, you could take the rest of your levels in Cleric, Planning Domain + Persist Spell + Divine Metamagic (Persist Spell) out the wazoo with your 24 turn undeads per day.
- Take a level in Marshal. Just one. Pick whatever minor aura speaks to you, though Motivate Charisma would be sick. You now have a +50 or so to all your social skills. Diplomance away. Oh yea, put one rank in Iaijutsu focus. Or you could put it in Motivate Intelligence and know everything. Or Motivate Dexterity and your initiative count becomes "Yes, I go first again."
- Or Monk 1 and Ascetic Mage for +cha bonus to AC.
- But really, you should take two levels in Paladin on your way to a really boss sorcadin build. If you take Paladin to 4 you get turn undead and can still pull off those nifty Divine Metamagic tricks, though you put your casting behind quite a bit, and will never get 9th level spells. It would be better in the long run to wait for a PrC that gives you turn undead.
Persuade the DM to give you the unearthly grace ability as a feat. If he is letting you get a Cha of 52, that should be easy.
It can temporarily be done with the Ability Rip spell. Permanently remove a supernatural ability from a target, and bestow it on another character. Of course, the target loses it permanently and you only get it temporarily, so try and keep up a running supply of nymphs to renew the spell whenever it ends. If you can get an Incantatrix to persist it for you, you'll only need one nymph each day.
I'm not sure how you'd get it permanently, though. I suppose you could polymorph into one (PaO, specifically) and then Assume Supernatural Ability it.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos_redefined
It's easy to make something on fire in D&D. Put adventurers near it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kornilios
I guess it's better but Anthropomorphic bat sounds like Batman without his dignity
I quite like the Marshal concept, but pick Art of War: +21 on every ones Disarm, Trip, Bull Rush and Sunder. It comes around to your initiative and you simply take control of the battlefield.
Your Hexblade's curses would be unstoppable, your Knight's Knight's Challenges would be irresistible, but really just play a Cha based caster FTW.
__________________
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
6 Sorcerer, 1 Monk, 2 Paladin, 1 PRC Virtuoso, 1 PRC Sublime Chord, 9 PRC Incantrix
Virtuous gets you bardic music which you need for sublime chord.
Sublime chord lets you cast Wizard/Sorcerer and Bard spells; it also has its own spell progress to get lvl 4-9 spells.
Incantrix will be used to advanced Sublime Chord and allow metamagic greatness.
6 Sorcerer, 1 Monk, 2 Paladin, 1 PRC Virtuoso, 1 PRC Sublime Chord, 9 PRC Incantrix
Virtuous gets you bardic music which you need for sublime chord.
Sublime chord lets you cast Wizard/Sorcerer and Bard spells; it also has its own spell progress to get lvl 4-9 spells.
Incantrix will be used to advanced Sublime Chord and allow metamagic greatness.
This, but you might want to shuffle the order around a bit so that at level 6 you'd be Sorcerer 3/Monk 1/Paladin 2, so you get Cha to saves and AC right away. If you're not LG then there are paladin variants from Unearthed Arcana like Paladin of Freedom, and there's the battledancer class (from dragon mag I think) that gets cha to AC right away without needing to spend a feat on Aescetic Mage.
From the X stat Y bonus thread, the most promising things for you seem to be Beauty's Bounty if you're a fey for 52 more hitpoints and maybe a Bow of Songs if you have spare money, so that you could actually use your Virtuoso Music, and of course the spells that use your ability mod.
For higher levels you absolutely need Extend Spell and Persist Spell. Use you Instant Metamagic from incantatrix to persist a buff or two, like Sirine's Grace for cha to AC.
Whirling Blade and Thunderlance should probably be spells known for you: With your Charisma where it is Whirling Blade cast on a nonmagical greatsword does on average almost as much as a lightningbolt by a level 10 caster, only no save, no SR, no elemental damage and a level lower. And that's if you use a medium sized greatsword.
When you get access to shapechange, spend as much time as possible as an Astral Stalker or something similar for cha to all your stats.
For metamagic Thunderlance is probably better. You could do an Extended Maximized Thunderlance. Spell slot of level 8 or dc spellcraft check of 42.
If you optimize your spellcraft checks you could easily get away with having a Widened Maximized Persistent Thunderlance. Range 40", doing 18+2*Charisma mod; 60 dmg ignoring DR. Attack bonus would be quite high even if your BAB is only +5 at lvl 12, but that is only 1 behind straight sorcerer.
This is a lance that has variable length so it should be able to hit from 0ft to 40ft. Would it threaten aoo for 40ft around it?
That's 10 HP from Con alone, and assuming max HP at level 1, and average HP thereafter, that's 16.5 at level 2.
If we used Battle Sorceror (d8 HD), you'd only need a total Con mod of +2 to hit 16.5 HP at level 2. That could be 10 Con, and Dragonborn Dwarf.
Granted, these characters are not well built, but they have HP.
High HP would be battle sorceror, (12.5 HP), dragonborn mongrelfolk (+6 hp) Con 18 (+8 hp), and Toughness (+3 hp). That would yield 29.5 HP at level 2, as a sorceror. Granted, the Cha penalty is nasty, but it's a lot of life.
__________________
All of this has happened before...
and all of this will happen again.
I think the guy is playing the main hero in a shounen campaign. he will be the determinator of determinators (now to get that cha over 9000).
but yeah, get marshal1 lvl and further just play sorc and throw around save-or-suck/dies round. Those DC's won't be met without rolling natural 20s
In such a campaign, the DC is generally met whenever the DM wants it to be. When numbers get stupid high, you may as well ignore them. The game moves at the speed of plot.
__________________
All of this has happened before...
and all of this will happen again.
No one has mentioned leadership yet right. Leadership at level 6.
Leadership score will be 27.
For followers you will have 135 lvl 1, 13 lvl 2, 7 lvl 3, 4 lvl 4, 2 lvl 5, and 2 lvl 6.
That is a lot of people. You establish a base of operations. You get up to 1417.5 gold a week from your 135 lvl 1 crafters. All with skill focus crafting, using master work tools, of various races with crafting bonuses. DC 21 on take 10 for crafting.
They can craft 5670GP worth of DC 20 stuff a week. Crank out mundane goods at much higher rates then you could yourself.
The higher level ones can craft magical gods quite simply, wands, wonderous items, rings, etc. When you stop adventuring you have another source of income and items.
Wand of Empowered Guidance of the Avatar +30 to next skill check.
Scroll of Empowered Glibness +45 to Bluff.
So you want to bluff god? Sounds like no problem. Ok you want to take 10 on your bluff check of, that is 106.
Base diplomacy check is 31 on a take 10, add Guidance of Avatar, 61. You know dark cleric who was trying to kill you 5 turns ago, he's healing you and leading you starting to the mcguffin you wanted.
If you talk to people twice they will be willing to throw their life away to protect you. You can train magical beast to follow you easily. Gathering information is a breeze.
Also I just remembered being a ghost would work very well here. They get a deflection bonus equal to their charisma mod. You also can basically take over peoples body when ever you want, will save would be 36.
LA is +5, but all your hit dice become d12 and you can stay incorpreal and invisible most of the time. You return even if "killed" 2d4 days later.
If there is someone you want dead you take over their body and coup de grace, themself. Oh you are a construct immune to ghost fun, regular sorcerer stuff go.
Level 2 Sorceror so thats 2d4+ 6hp (assuming a Con of 16) +3 (Toughness) = 11-17hp but Charisma 52?
Is it actually possible to have that many level adjusted racial templates?
Apologies but what weird situation?
A few years sorry decades ago I tried running a D&D super game and used the magic item tables as a guide to what powers certain characters could have albeit nothing on this level I did however wonder if his dm allowed him to gain modifiers to his Charisma as a result of something to do with a potion of glibness which I think grants a +20 modifier but to lying I think and I was wondering if the weird situation he's talking about involved something similar to the potion miscibility effect?
Wand of Empowered Guidance of the Avatar +30 to next skill check.
Scroll of Empowered Glibness +45 to Bluff.
You can't empower either of these spells. Empower requires variable numeric effects. So it would be +20 and +30 respectively. Of course that's still +50 to your bluff check.
RSS Feeds: 
Insane Charisma Sorcerer
