Soragakure Shippuuden: All Aboard That's Coming Aboard

[Jacior]

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I'm curious what Trace would think a Hara Clan Occupation looks like. But then, I've never really thought about it, and I don't think Trace knows enough about Manabu to judge this.

Just some idle musings.

Thinking about pulling a Kaguya!Manabu. Which would be surprising, considering the scarcity of the Kaguya Clan. Any problems with this?

[Bad Situation]

Originally Posted by Jacior

[spoiler]I'm curious what Trace would think a Hara Clan Occupation looks like. But then, I've never really thought about it, and I don't think Trace knows enough about Manabu to judge this.[/SPOILER

Is it actually a clan though? I thought Manabu was just the son of two jounin. Do either of these parents come from a family with a clan tradition?

[Jacior]

Actually, Manabu's father is from a long line of talented Genjutsu specialists. Which really doesn't apply to Manabu anyway.

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Yeah but Tsukuyomi is OP as hell - and higher level.

What I meant to propose was, in addition to the initial will negates save, when the technique is discharged they be allowed an additional will save to half the wisdom damage. Possibly restrict this save to actually threatening opponents.

Any commentary on the technique I made?

Tsukuyomi is the direct analogue to this technique. And Momo could take Tsukuyomi if she could get the Mangekyou.

That said: Compare it to Insanity Glare, which is Rank 7. Panicked for 1d6+1 rounds plus 1d4 Wisdom damage on a failed save. They're shaken on a successful one.

Forgetful Ninja locks out a single skill tree, or does 5 to 6 Wisdom damage on a successful save along with a -5 or 6 penalty, and 2 or 3 techniques, and nothing on a failed one.

If the target is a pure taijutsu/ninjutsu/genjutsu user, then both of them are save-or-loses. If the target is not pure taijutsu/ninjutsu/genjutsu, then one is a save-or-lose and the other is a save-or-suck.

If the target saved, then Forgetful is wasted. Otherwise, Insanity Glare still imposes a -2 penalty to all actions.

Forgetful is 1 rank higher, and very binary(you either hit or don't) whereas Insanity Glare can be stacked to Panick someone regardless of their saves.

Now, if you put a Will-save for partial there then Forgetful has two chances to be useless.

Comparatively, Tsukuyomi is Rank 10, also binary, but binary in a way that it can be Empowered.

Empowered Tsukuyomi is an infinitely better technique.

[TraceHyde]

Urgh, too much work to carefully weigh backstories and canon to be best reflected in the mechanics. Just use Academy Student unless you could think of some clan-specific hijutsu to learn.

Kaguya sounds interesting. I quite like that bloodline of theirs. Makes for good tanks...

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I wouldn't allow Tsukuyomi in a player's hands anyway, ZN. Or indeed a villain's hands, not even in a silly game. Much too powerful. I suspect rabid Uchiha-fans got to the mechanic designs

I think permanent losses are rather brutal though, is one of my concerns. I think more powerful techs should allow a secondary save generally and this one has a lot of effects to make that have some meaning, y'know? Plus my proposed partial save would only apply to the discharge effect

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That and to use Tsukuyomi you'd have to be like level 12 minimum to obtain Mangekyou, right?

[TraceHyde]

Eh, just use the technique as is. I'll plan around it somehow

Yes, I'm just that awful at debates that at some point I just surrender if someone seems more passionate than me.

[Jacior]

Oh. I'm gonna take Kaguya Clan (occupation), since I am gonna do Kaguya. ((Not an actual clan, but representative training.))

EDIT: To clarify, if I took the Major bloodline and the 1st Bloodline level, I'd have nine levels to work with. Bloodlines have always confused me.

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by TraceHyde

I wouldn't allow Tsukuyomi in a player's hands anyway, ZN. Or indeed a villain's hands, not even in a silly game. Much too powerful. I suspect rabid Uchiha-fans got to the mechanic designs

I think permanent losses are rather brutal though, is one of my concerns. I think more powerful techs should allow a secondary save generally and this one has a lot of effects to make that have some meaning, y'know?

I think you're confused on the mechanics of Tsukuyomi. It does 1d4+2 Wisdom damage, with scalability up to 4d4+8 Wisdom damage. It's intended as a save-or-lose, because it reduces you to 0 Wisdom and you go comatose.

Similar techniques include: Insanity Glare(which is 2d6+1, not 1d6. My bad), Visage of Death, Hell's Mouth, Thrall of an Infinite Melody, Nervous Convulsions, Dreams of Cherry Blossoms, Mind Snare, Shackling Stakes, Entrancing Gaze, Betrayal, Body-Binding Stare, Insanity, etc.

All of these are binary save-or-lose techniques. And some of them(looking at you Shackling Stakes, Betrayal, Dreams of Cherry Blossoms, Mind Snare, and Thrall of an Infinite Melody) are objectively better than Tsukuyomi because there's no possibility that they'll fail, and they have no downsides that harm the user.

Denying your players Tsukuyomi because it might cause someone to lose a fight would require you to deny them all of these other abilities as well.

[TraceHyde]

*shrug* What am I, a game designer? None of the players can meet the prereqs for Tsukyomi anyway so it's not much of an issue. Also unless takuya goes for it I'm fairly certain no one will be using such save or lose techniques.

That reminds me to ask, what does Takuya do? I don't think i ever got his character sheet

Edit: Read up a few of those genjutsu you listed. Those are pretty badass. You'd think more characters would e genjutsu focussed if we were really such powergamers

[zeone3000]

There's a different between a powergamer and being a cheap ass mofo.

Now, time for MOAR jutsus!

Taijutsu Archetype & Adept: (2d3)[4]

CDC: (2d6)[10]

Satisfactory, very in fact.

[TraceHyde]

Are there even that many taijutsu techniques?

Lesson of the day: I shouldn't design character creation guidelines.

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by TraceHyde

Edit: Read up a few of those genjutsu you listed. Those are pretty badass. You'd think more characters would be genjutsu focused if we were really such powergamers

Genjutsu's not as interesting to optimize in my opinion. That said: There's plenty of things that mimic Forgetful Ninja, but do it better.

[zeone3000]

@Trace: Yes, yes there is and then some!

That too, there's a ton of ways to for Tai and Nin. Pretty much one with gen. It's a very boring play style IMHO

[TraceHyde]

Yeah, I saw that. Illusions are just very hard to balance in player hands I guess. We could probably do with less save or lose genjutsu, they basically devalue the entire field

[TraceHyde]

So we're on...

Player	Character	Status
Bad	Yousuke	Normal
Zeone	Houshi	Normal
Cespenar	Momo	Alternate
Rion	Takuya	Normal
Jacior	Manabu	Alternate
Zero	Sakuya	Sakuya

Any objections?

[Jacior]

Originally Posted by Jacior

Oh. I'm gonna take Kaguya Clan (occupation), since I am gonna do Kaguya. ((Not an actual clan, but representative training.))

EDIT: To clarify, if I took the Major bloodline and the 1st Bloodline level, I'd have nine levels to work with. Bloodlines have always confused me.

I think I ninja'd without being noticed.

[zeone3000]

Oh, I think I thought of a good one for alternate Houshi. He should be a noble.

[TraceHyde]

Didn't see your edit, Jacior.

Yes, that does seem to be how bloodlines work. However, I usually rule (including in this case) that the level you spend on your bloodline counts towards your level for the purposes of that blooodline - so you'd still have an effective character level of 10 for the purposes of the bloodline

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What sort of noble did you have in mind for Houshi? A princess?

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by Jacior

I think I ninja'd without being noticed.

Yes, you'd have 9 levels and LA+1.

Ninja'd.

[Jacior]

PRINCESS HOUSHI! Master of the GIANT METAL PADDLE-BLADE

[TraceHyde]

Originally Posted by Jacior

PRINCESS HOUSHI! Master of the GIANT METAL PADDLE-BLADE

The public has spoken, Zeone!

[ZeroNumerous]

Originally Posted by Jacior

PRINCESS HOUSHI! Master of the GIANT METAL PADDLE-BLADE

Well, what's the opposite of a giant sword? A dagger.

Therefore, Princess Houshi should dual-wield daggers.

[zeone3000]

Depends on how alternate reality you want to be about it.

[Jacior]

Alt-Reality Manabu is a Taijutsu Specialist with the Doton Primary affinity. And he can be a bit of a butt

EDIT: And How many years ahead are we?

[zeone3000]

Also, do I still get that weapon seal?

[TraceHyde]

Originally Posted by zeone3000

Also, do I still get that weapon seal?

No, you gotta buy it like a normal person.

Come on Zeone, play along - we were just imagining Princess Houshi in here! Hell, Yousuke is probably the only one whose abilities actually resemble those from canon

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As for when we are... whenever you want. For characters who are their normal selves, we're technically at the same time as the regular canon. You can be any age you want Alternative

Also I should have mentioned this way earlier, but if everyone could trace their personality differences back to one sort of incident... actually never mind, just go with it.

Ces, when I think of moe all I really know is Mikuru. Will alt-Momo be using that sort of, ah, figure?

That reminds me, gotta get Amon the Rabbit Blood Pact so we can get some bunnygirls in here

[TraceHyde]

Alright, bed now and some actual WORK designing this campaign in the morning. Everyone try and get up a rough draft of their character within the next 24 hours - that would be grand.

[zeone3000]

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetvie...sheetid=465106

Choosing techs. Got 11 left, then on to equipment.

On that note, 1 tech for 1 mastery right?

[Jacior]

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(1d8)[3]
(1d8)[3]
(1d10)[7]
(1d10)[9]
(1d10)[2]
(1d12)[7]
(1d12)[1]
(1d12)[2]

Base Techiques: (3d4+10)[19]

Taijutsu Adept, Taijutsu Expert, Genius Ninja (Taijutsu): (3d3)[4]

Training: (1d4+1)[3]

I think that's all I need to roll...

[Bad Situation]

Is there a way to key Taijutsu saves at least partially to Dex?