The title is temporary. I will try to think up something better, but I am open to suggestions. Also, I am looking for a back-up narrator, someone who can update in the unlikely event I cannot post. I want to be prepared this time.
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Legionary of Valor Inner Circle
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If you can get this running, Deckmaster, then I may join.
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It should have a co-narrator. One who can be on when you are not, Deckmaster. I may be recalling incorrectly, but I believe on a few occassions the updates were off worse than the Video Game Heal/Hurt. That really hurts a werewolf game.
I liked the roles. Maybe adding a prestige class or two might be fun.....hmmmmm...........prestige classes.....I think i have a (terrible) idea.
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Maybe. I'd be much better at updating regularly now, though, since a) I now have regular access to a computer and b) I'm usually on at the same time every day. A co-narrator may be helpful anyway.
I'm only bringing this back if people have good suggestions for changes. I agree the Rogue needs to be reworked, but I can't think how. I thought the "escape-and-hide" ability would work, but all it did was make me confused as to whether the game was technically over.
Cleric and Wizard I'll probably keep the same, unless things really change. They didn't get any play at all in the last game. Also, less wolves. I made 1/5 of the players wolves; it was obviously too many. Or I can split them into two packs. Of course I probably won't call them wolves, if I can find a more D&D style creature that can pass as human. I will also definitely rework the Monk, Druid and Bard. I meant for them to become somewhat influential in the game because they were almost untouchable (except for the Bard, who got an extra vote); instead they became ineffective.
The Barbarian and Ranger worked pretty much the way I wanted them to. The wolves were afraid to kill the Barbarian, especially once they figured out who she was, because by then their numbers were so low. The Ranger proved an invaluable information source for the Masons. They worked too well; if the other roles had worked out like I planned, the wolves probably would have been obliterated. The Fighter was auto-lynched; that was unfortunate, seeing as he completely replaced the Baner. I think next time I'll do something different with the Fighter and make the Paladin the replacement Baner. I can't remember, but I think the Sorcerer got killed early, too. I'll probably keep that the same, as well.
Well, I wasn’t around here back when Werewolf V was being played, and I’m definitely not an authority on Werewolf games in general, but I have read WWV recently. Perhaps something along the following line would work for it.
Commoner: Villager
Rogue: Wolf
Sorcerer: Devil (Must be a Rogue, must be Evil)
Wizard: Seer (Can‘t be a Rogue, must be Good)
Adept: Fool (Can‘t be a Rogue, Thinks they're Good, regardless of actual alignment)
Bard: Illusionist/Witch/Warlock (Can be either)
Cleric: Baner (Can’t be a Rogue)
Druid: Mason (Can’t be a Rogue)
Ranger: Keep the same (Can’t Be Rogue)
Barbarian: Keep the same (Can be either)
Monk: Having reached the pinnacle of Monkhood, perfecting both Body and Mind, the Monk can survive blows that would kill a normal person. The first time the Monk is killed in any way (except autolynching), the result is ignored and the player revealed as the Monk. (Can be either).
Fighter: A veteran of many battles, the Fighter can defend himself from almost any attack. Although even his skill and determination can be overcome. The Fighter has a 50% chance of surviving a rogue or paladin attack. (Can't be a Rogue)
Paladin: (For the Paladin, I’m thinking of something vaguely similar to the Shadow in Mafia III see here). As one of Good's most resolute champions the Paladin's ultimate objective is to eradicate evil above all else. The Paladin can either “Detect Evil” at night, or kill someone who’s Evil. Detect Evil shows the Paladin a players alignment, but not their role. The Paladin can only kill someone that they‘ve detected as Evil. Wins if all Evil players are killed. (Can’t be a Rogue, Must be Good)
At signup all players are sent out their role and their alignment, either Good, Neutral or Evil. Alignment is determined randomly, except where otherwise noted above. The universal concept of Alignment is so strong that not even the Bard’s power can fool it. This means that the Rogues aren’t necessarily evil while the Cleric might not be as good as they appear. On death, a players Alignment is revealed along with their role.
***Edit 1*** Ahh, simued by Deckmaster I see, and I usually check preview post to prevent that to. Oh well. Two groups of 'wolves' seems to work okay. I'll see if I can re-work what I've got to fit in better with what you've posted. ***/Edit 1***
***Edit 2*** Changed the Adept slightly and added a Neutral alignment ***/Edit 2***
Actually, that's very good. Much better than what I was thinking. You really simplified things, and addressed a lot of the issues I was having.
That's what I get for trying to make things complicated.
A slight change; there could be a few neutrals out there, so that evil equals roughly 1/3 of the players. Or a d3 roll, if you want to get technical. Their only purpose would be to make the number of Good equal to the number of Evil without making it polarized, but I like the idea.
The Adept should be required to be Good as well, or at least think he's Good, seeing as if he works like the Fool, he should think he's the Wizard.
A circle of Druids replacing a secret society of Masons is also very appealing to me.
I wasn't playing WW games when this happened the first time but this sounds really cool. If I'm not in too many when it comes around, I'll definitely sign up for it.
I think I'm going to combine Stratego's suggestions with more elements from the original game. Can't post what I'm thinking of right now, though. Check back in a few hours.
Note on Alignment: Alignment means little in terms of gameplay, except that good and evil characters can be targeted by the Blackguard and Paladin, respectively. You can choose to act your alignment or not.
Barbarian: Rage: The Barbarian can take out 1 other person when killed. If lynched, the Barbarian can take out one of his accusers; if assassinated, he will take out a Rogue at random. If killed by other means, he takes out his attacker. May be good, evil or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
Bard: Works the Illusionist/Witch/Warlock. False Vision: He can make 1 player appear to have a different role and alignment to Investigate or Hide in Plain Sight, but not to Detect Good/Evil or Track. May be good, evil or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
Blackguard: The Paladin's evil counterpart. Detect/Smite Good: As one of Evil's most resolute champions the Blackguard's ultimate objective is to eradicate good above all else. The Blackguard can either "Detect Good" at night, or kill someone who's Good. Detect Good shows the Blackguard a player's alignment, but not their role. The Blackguard can only kill someone they've detected as Good. Wins if all Good players are killed. Must be evil and a Rogue.
Chief: Works like the Seer. Investigate: Can see if someone is a Commoner or a Rogue, their alignment, and if they have a special role. Must be Good and cannot be a Rogue.
Cleric: Raise Dead: The Cleric can raise 1 player from the dead 1 time during the game. This person can't vote, be voted for, or be assassinated for 3 days. This person has a chance of having their alignment switched upon resurrection. The Cleric cannot use this ability on himself. This action does not reveal the Cleric. Even after they use this ability, they will still be revealed as the Cleric when killed. May be good, evil or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
Commoner: Works like the Villager. Basically, it means you are not a Rogue. May be good, evil or neutral.
Druids: Works like the Masons. They know each other and know that the other druids are not Rogues. May be good, evil or neutral, but cannot be a Rogue.
Duelist: Works like the Baner. Canny Defense: He can protect 1 other person or himself from assassination every night. May be good, evil or neutral, but cannot be a rogue.
Fighter: A veteran of many battles, the Fighter can defend himself from almost any attack. Although even his skill and determination can be overcome. Combat Expertise: The Fighter has a 50% chance of surviving a Smite Good/Evil or assassination, but not an attack by a Sorcerer or Wizard with an offensive ability. May be good, evil or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
Monk: Evasion: Having reached the pinnacle of Monkhood, perfecting both Body and Mind, the Monk can survive blows that would kill a normal person. The first time the Monk is killed in any way (except autolynching), the result is ignored and the player revealed as the Monk. If he is resurrected, he regains use of Evasion. May be good, evil or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
Paladin: Detect/Smite Evil: As one of Good's most resolute champions the Paladin's ultimate objective is to eradicate evil above all else. The Paladin can either “Detect Evil” at night, or kill someone who’s Evil. Detect Evil shows the Paladin a player's alignment, but not their role. The Paladin can only kill someone that they‘ve detected as Evil. Wins if all Evil players are killed. Must be good and cannot be a Rogue.
Ranger: Track: The Ranger can tell who is a Rogue and who isn't. Works like the Chief, only he can't see roles beyond Rogue and Commoner. Track is not affected by False Vision. May be good, evil, or neutral, but cannot be a Rogue.
Rogue: Works like the Wolf. The Rogues vote every night to decide who to assassinate. Their goal to is to take over the village. They will do this by assassinating the Commoners one by one until their numbers are equal. May be good, evil, or neutral.
Rookie: Works like the Fool. Thinks he's the Chief. Investigate: Tries to see if someone is a Commoner or a Rogue and their alignment, but gets a random result instead. Sees the Chief as the Rookie. If the Chief is killed, he becomes the Chief for real, including becoming good if he is not already. Thinks he is good, whether he really is or not, and cannot be a Rogue.
Shadowdancer: Works like the Devil. Hide in Plain Sight: He can spy on people from the shadows and see if they have a special role. Must be evil and a Rogue.
Sorcerer: Power Over Versatility: Picks 1 of 7 schools at the start of the game and gains an ability based on that school. The ability will be more powerful than either of the Wizard's abilities. May be good, evil, or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
Wizard: Versatility Over Power: Picks 2 of 7 schools at the start of the game and gains abilities based on those schools. Neither ability will be as powerful as the Sorcerer's lone ability. Can still only use 1 ability per night. May be good, evil, or neutral, and either a Commoner or a Rogue.
At signup all players are sent out their role and their alignment, either Good, Neutral or Evil. Alignment is determined randomly, except where otherwise noted above. The universal concept of Alignment is so strong that not even the Bard’s power can fool it. This means that the Rogues aren’t necessarily evil while the Cleric might not be as good as they appear. On death, a players Alignment is revealed along with their role.
I'm really proud of this. It just feels like D&D to me. Thanks to Strategos for the great ideas.
Almost every Werewolf games except maybe WW1 and WWClassicIII/IV has had a Fullbladder. Hate to break tradition. Always did love the DnDWW. Had some backbone, it did. I'm also in.
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I really shouldn't sign up for this because I already have too little free time to devote to the boards, but this one sounds like so much fun that I can't resist!
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LLama says: Of course, the game would also have been more balanced if you all would learn not to trust Shadow
no matter what game he's in or role he has. Duos says: I've read the archives... and Shadow frankly scares the bejeesus outta me. It's like playing with a
hypothetical cross of Lex Luthor and professor Moriarty.
If he was made of SPIDERS.
__________________ "I'm just going on motive and opportunity here and the fact that if the earth got swallowed by a black hole, I'd look suspiciously in your direction first."
~ Timberwolf
"After the first day we universally agreed that she was banned from fire thereafter. The second day she ended up with the power to create 5 extra copies of herself."
~ Heliomance
"You're like Pinkie Pie powered by a nuclear reactor."
~ Lix Lorn
Edit: I was going through the roles and realized I forgot to mention that the Wizard can still only use 1 ability per night. Seems nitpicky, but I don't want there to be confusion. I also reworded some things and made a change to the Rookie.
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