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Old 06-03-2007, 02:00 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
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Default Paladin Redone

Forgive me.. This is my first time trying to do something like this, it just seemed like something fun to do, to pass the time.

Tell me what you think.

Paladin
Alignment: Lawful Good, Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil
Hit Die: d10
Class Skills:
Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Knowledge (nobility and royalty) (Int), Knowledge (religion) (Int), Profession (Wis), Ride (Dex), and Sense Motive (Wis).
Skill Points: 4 + Int Modifier
LevelBase Attack BonusFort SaveRef SaveWill SaveSpecial1st2nd3rd4th
1st
+1
+2
+0
+2
Smite 1/day, Aura--  
2nd
+2
+3
+0
+3
Divine Grace, Lay on Hands--- 
3rd
+3
+3
+1
+3
Aura of Courage, Divine Health----
4th
+4
+4
+1
+4
Turn /Rebuke Undead0---
5th
+5
+4
+1
+4
Zealous Charge 1/day, Special Mount, Smite 2/day0---
6th
+6/+1
+5
+2
+5
Inflict/Remove Impurity 1/day1---
7th
+7/+2
+5
+2
+5
 1---
8th
+8/+3
+6
+2
+6
Improved Turning/Rebuke, Greater Smiting10--
9th
+9/+4
+6
+3
+6
Inflict/Remove Impurity 2/day, Greater Divine Grace10--
10th
+10/+5
+7
+3
+7
Zealous Charge 2/day, Improved Lay on Hands, Smite 3/day11--
11th
+11/+6/+1
+7
+3
+7
 110-
12th
+12/+7/+2
+8
+4
+8
Inflict/Remove Impurity 3/day111-
13th
+13/+8/+3
+8
+4
+8
 111-
14th
+14/+9/+4
+9
+4
+9
Bonus Feat2110
15th
+15/+10/+5
+9
+5
+9
Inflict/Remove Impurity 4/day, Zealous Charge 3/day, Smite 3/day2111
16th
+16/+11/+6/+1
+10
+5
+10
 2211
17th
+17/+12/+7/+2
+10
+5
+10
Superb Divine Grace2221
18th
+18/+13/+8/+3
+11
+6
+11
Inflict/Remove Impurity 5/day3221
19th
+19/+14/+9/+4
+11
+6
+11
Superb Lay on Hands3332
20th
+20/+15/+10/+5
+12
+6
+12
Zealous Charge 4/day, Smite 5/day, As One With The Gods3333
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:16 AM   Top  -  End  -  #2
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Looks good...very strong, but I like it. Three problems:

-Smite Evil...Half your level rounded up or down? It also seems a little weak compared to other abilities, especially at early levels where you won't have much with DR.

-You forgot to put flight speed for Angelic Wings. I would also recommend removing this, as half-celestial already gives wings. Maybe replace it with Nimbus of Light (From Book of Exalted Deeds) as a bonus feat, and Holy Radiance if the Paladin already has Nimbus of Light. If it has both, then maybe just give it a bonus feat...possibly restrict that to only things involving Smite Evil and Turn Undead.

-That capstone ability seems a little overpowered...at level 20, it becomes ECL 24. However, I think that it does actually fit well..but perhaps not such a strong template. I would recommend on of two things here:

1)Book of Exalted Deeds again. There's a nice template called Saint there that might work.

2)Look at the Prestige Class Divine Crusader, in Complete Divine. Consider making the capstone ability something like that.

And...other than what's already been said, I like it. Might use it when people help you fix it up a bit.
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:32 AM   Top  -  End  -  #3
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1)Book of Exalted Deeds again. There's a nice template called Saint there that might work.
Unfortunately, the Saint Template is overpowered.
And it takes away from the role-playing aspect if every Paladin is saintly.
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:58 PM   Top  -  End  -  #4
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Unfortunately, the Saint Template is overpowered.
And it takes away from the role-playing aspect if every Paladin is saintly.
Hmm. You have a point. So...maybe go with the second idea? :p
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Old 06-03-2007, 03:41 PM   Top  -  End  -  #5
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Looks good...very strong, but I like it. Three problems:

-Smite Evil...Half your level rounded up or down? It also seems a little weak compared to other abilities, especially at early levels where you won't have much with DR.
Rounded down, but it's still +1 at first level.

But it will still be useful at later levels.. Maybe.. sorta.

Quote:
-You forgot to put flight speed for Angelic Wings. I would also recommend removing this, as half-celestial already gives wings. Maybe replace it with Nimbus of Light (From Book of Exalted Deeds) as a bonus feat, and Holy Radiance if the Paladin already has Nimbus of Light. If it has both, then maybe just give it a bonus feat...possibly restrict that to only things involving Smite Evil and Turn Undead.
Whoops.. Eh, my original thought was kind of like "Why not let him fly before level 20".

Maybe I'll just replace it with a bonus feat.

Quote:
-That capstone ability seems a little overpowered...at level 20, it becomes ECL 24. However, I think that it does actually fit well..but perhaps not such a strong template. I would recommend on of two things here:

1)Book of Exalted Deeds again. There's a nice template called Saint there that might work.

2)Look at the Prestige Class Divine Crusader, in Complete Divine. Consider making the capstone ability something like that.

And...other than what's already been said, I like it. Might use it when people help you fix it up a bit.
Can't be more overpowered than a Wizard, Druid, or Cleric. Mostly I was trying to make the Paladin as good as a Cleric, giving him LA+4 seemed like a good idea

Maybe I should condense it into some sort of Prestige Class for the Paladin.
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:37 PM   Top  -  End  -  #6
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Nah, I like it. It's a nice alternative to the standard paladin, plus only levels 7, and 13 are dead.
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Old 06-03-2007, 08:54 PM   Top  -  End  -  #7
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Neutral Good woo!

Call me crazy, but I never saw why they couldn't be NG before... CG's a stretch, and there's even an official variant for that, wtf!

It looks good, but what spell list does it have? The old Paladin list, Cleric, a new list entirely..?
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Old 06-03-2007, 09:08 PM   Top  -  End  -  #8
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Alignment: Any Lawful.

I feel that fits better than X Good. After all, a Paladin choses to have a devote connection to with the divine, and will not renounce this connection for any but the strongest of reasons. As such, they adhere to a personal code. Thats lawful, not good.

Give it an ability at second level based on it's alignment, where if they're Good they can use Lay On Hands as written. If they're Evil, they instead channel Negative Energy with their Lay On Hands ability. If they're Neutral, then they choose which to channel.

The smite-to-damage was kept so that Paladins' smite actually mattered at first level. The new change kinda makes Paladin 1 a crappy choice at level 1. Also, if you used the above idea of allowing Paladins of various alignments then you could change this to Smite Good/Evil, based on their alignment. Neutral would get to choose.

The Aura of Good would become interchangeable if you used the Lawful idea instead of making it good. As would all the good-requirement abilities. I'd assume Neutrals would be given a choice.
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Old 06-03-2007, 09:53 PM   Top  -  End  -  #9
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Perhaps, I could change it so that..

A Lawful Neutral, instead of smiting Evil, Smites Chaos instead, because as a Neutral Party, why would he specificly aim one way or the other when it comes to smiting?

But it would be better to change it back to normal (ie. Times per day, with bonus attack, and damage)? Should I keep the DR?

Maybe something like..

Smite (su): As a Paladin, you can smite all those who oppose you. If you choose to uphold Good, you can Smite Evil, if you uphold Law, you Smite Chaos, if you Uphold Evil, you Smite Good.

A Smite is an attack that can be used a few times a day, when used on the appropriate target, you gain an attack bonus equal to your Charisma bonus (if any), and damage equivilant to your level. Your weapon is also attuned to your spirit, acting as Good, Evil, or Law (Depending on your Alignment), for the purposes of damage reduction.

Does that sound good?
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Old 06-04-2007, 08:22 AM   Top  -  End  -  #10
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Do the attack and damage bonuses stack? So if I SMITE a CE foe, with my LG paladin, do I do twice the additional damage?
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Oh ya.. Forgot about Smite Chaos. And why can't you keep the DR bypass as well as give it the extra damage? Just give it the "all weapons you wield count as X for purposes of damage reduction" clause at.. Say. Level eight? Thats reasonably when you fight something with DR.

And to answer Triaxx's question: Reading through the wording, I believe it allows only one choice, saying that a LG Paladin upholds either Law or Good, not both. But that should be clarified.
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:03 PM   Top  -  End  -  #12
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Actually my initial idea was.. you choose your alignment, and that chooses what principle you uphold.

LG - Smite Evil
LN - Smite Chaos
LE - Smite Good

But, alright.. I'll change it a bit (And try to rework the wording)

Edit: What'd be a good template for a Lawful Neutral?

Maybe Half Dragon?
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