If he's 17th level. If the Dark One grants him True Resurrection. If all the members of his family, notably his brother, agree to come back. And, oh yeah...if Redcloak's master lets him.
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In theory he can as he is a high enough cleric to do it. The possibility he can/will do this?
Right Eye: Yeah, I doubt he'll open up that can of worms.
His other relations: He could if he's high enough level to perform a True Resurrection which Belkar hinted at he's high enough to do, though I'm not sure why he'd want to this late in the game.
Yeah, what Kish said. Redcloak needs diamonds for the ressurection, and I very much doubt Xykon would let him spend 15k worth of diamonds to ressurect some 1 HD goblin mooks.
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Even if Redcloak got together the diamonds necessary in a way that meant no loss to Xykon, the point above about permission bulks pretty large.
The Brother issue and the Eye issue suggest that Xykon would throw a nasty fit - and with Xykon, you have NO idea what that might mean.
I would LOVE Redcloak to get his family back - he certainly deserves it, but he'd pretty much have to do it behind Xykon's back I should think...and I wouldn't go there...
He definitely couldn't res his parents - they'd be too old by now.
I think that brings up an interesting point... If someone dies, and then people try to resurrect this someone after some years... Would they age accordingly?
If the answer is "yes", then Redcloak probably can't resurrect his family, as they'd be beyond their natural lifespan (don't forget the Crimson Mantle allows RC to live longer than his lifespan would allow, and Goblins are short-lived).
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I think that brings up an interesting point... If someone dies, and then people try to resurrect this someone after some years... Would they age accordingly?
If the answer is "yes", then Redcloak probably can't resurrect his family, as they'd be beyond their natural lifespan (don't forget the Crimson Mantle allows RC to live longer than his lifespan would allow, and Goblins are short-lived).
Unless the rules have changed since I played (and that was a looong time ago, so they may have), they return at the age they died, but then continue ageing normally. When someone dies of old age, however, that's it. Hence, Roy's dad's comment about really dying after being resurrected a number of times...
So, he can resurrect them without any problem about rules, right?
Rephrase "about rules."
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So, he can resurrect them without any problem about rules, right?
In 3.5, which is the OotSverse rules-wise, mostly, yes.
But, as said, the whole Xykon thing is the major issue. Also, consider too that Redcloak might not want to face his remaining family after what he did to Right Eye.
Xykon would not give up 15k worth of diamonds to raise any number of goblins, save for Right eye as he's not an average goblin, just because of the cost.
He'd also not give up the cash to raise Right eye, as he's not loyal, and also near natural dead at time of disintigration, so it wouldn;t be worth it.
and Redcloak couldn't do it without Xykons permision, as he's too much of a spineless coward
But, as said, the whole Xykon thing is the major issue. Also, consider too that Redcloak might not want to face his remaining family after what he did to Right Eye.
Right. If he raised the rest of his family, he’d have to grow the balls to lie to them about why Right-eye didn’t get raised.
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It’s likely Right-eye would be the only one aware that they’d be returning as little more than canon fodder. The rest of his family died long before Redcloak ever met Xykon, and the dead generally don’t watch the living (Eugene and Roy being notable exceptions).
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Heck, would Right-Eye trust his backstabbing older brother after being set up like that?
all the other points are valid, but the diamonds required would not be a factor. team evil is high enough level that mere fiscal wealth is of little consequence. they have a city and all its coffers, and that's just what they recently captured, and does not even contemplate what they already had stashed away. redcloak probably has a large stash of suitable diamonds in his own reserve, just for use should he want/need to perform any resurrections.
the real issues are: 1) would they want to come back? and 2) what would xykon do? my guess is 1) no, because 2) if they came back, xykon would turn them into undead for fun.
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If Redcloak resurrected his mother, sister, older brother, etc., the first question they would ask him would be, "Where's your younger brother?"
Redcloak does not want to answer that question, so he won't ever resurrect them, all other concerns aside.
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If Redcloak resurrected his mother, sister, older brother, etc., the first question they would ask him would be, "Where's your younger brother?"
Redcloak does not want to answer that question, so he won't ever resurrect them, all other concerns aside.
"He wouldn't come" would be the easiest response, but more importantly IMO is the fact that Redcloak couldn't protect them right now; its not till Xykon is dead and the goblins are a free people that it would even start seeming probable.
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Even if Redcloak out"lives" Xykon, the only person I can see him trying to resurrect is his Sister, since a) she was young (possibly even younger than Right-Eye), b) she didn't get to die fighting or anything (unlike Redcloak's Uncle, Eldest Brother, and Right-Eye's family), and c) he views her death as something that could have been prevented were it not for Right-Eye's actions.
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I like the way everybody (other than Kish) is assuming Redcloak is high enough level to cast True Resurrection--because he'd have to be to be able to resurrect people who died more than 30 years before the online strip started! The only member of his family who he *could* raise, assuming he's only high enough level for a standard Resurrection, is Right-Eye--and we all know darned well why THAT won't happen.
I like the way everybody (other than Kish) is assuming Redcloak is high enough level to cast True Resurrection
Or maybe we're just assuming he can just in this purely hypothetical situation for the sake of discussion. Besides, it's not like he can't eventually reach 17th-level.
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Redcloack´s relationship with his own past is contradictory... for one hand, all his actions and goals are motivated for it; on the other hand, He is afraid to confront his past mistakes and sins (like killing his own brother to protect Xykon for the sake of the Plan), so He really hides of it. I doubt he is prepared to face his long dead family and give them explanations about his doings.
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I like the way everybody (other than Kish) is assuming Redcloak is high enough level to cast True Resurrection--because he'd have to be to be able to resurrect people who died more than 30 years before the online strip started! The only member of his family who he *could* raise, assuming he's only high enough level for a standard Resurrection, is Right-Eye--and we all know darned well why THAT won't happen.
Redcloak is at least level 15. True Res isn't that far away.
Redcloak is at least level 15. True Res isn't that far away.
Also: He has been level 15 for a long, long time. So he cannot be far away if he cannot do it it already.
Apart from that: Scrolls! So Redcloak is two or so levels too low to cast a specific spell? Well, casting the spell from a scroll is not that hard, especially if he has time to prepare (by boosting his wis + make sure he can take the possible repercussions of a backlash).
Now, you could assume it's hard to get level 9 scrolls but "stuff" seems to be available in general in the OotS-world. So I'd be surprised if you could not get Level 9 scrolls in some magic shop, in the Quick-E-Mart, or from ebay.
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