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Old 10-17-2006, 07:46 AM   Top  -  End  -  #151
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but in comic 9 Roy refers to him as "V-Man". *Maybe this was before the Giant wasn't sure about the gender issue.
It's always amused me that people take this to be evidence. It's a nickname. In college I had a friend called Verity who was nicknamed "V-Man", and she was not only most definitely female but also drop-dead gorgeous into the bargain. ;)
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:53 AM   Top  -  End  -  #152
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V always struck me as female- maybe more of a tought girl at some points, but still a girl. Here's a big piece of evidence (from comic number 3)

Haley: So, the Boots of Speed were totally powerful, but they were, like, lime green.

V: Indeed. A most grave conundrum you faced.

That is not the kind of statement a guy makes.
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Old 10-17-2006, 11:04 AM   Top  -  End  -  #153
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V has always struck me as male, not female. And in reading the strip, even with the stated "V's gender is ambiguous and YOU SHALL NEVER KNOW BWAHAHAHA", I continue to think so.

No particular reason, that's just the way the character strikes me.
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Old 10-17-2006, 02:31 PM   Top  -  End  -  #154
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Not that it matters, but he's probably male. Why? Well, besides the fact that female characters in the comic are drawn in a very feminine way, even when in robes, he has a male name.

Vaarsuvius.
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Old 10-17-2006, 04:54 PM   Top  -  End  -  #155
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So, it's well-discussed that Rich has deliberately created a gender-neutral character in V. The only question is whether V, as a dynamic character, will eventually have its gender-neutral assignment revised.

Actually, I take that back. Whether a confirmed gender assignment occur isn't the only question -- another other big question is what sort of gender will be assigned if/when such an event occurs. I'm of the opinion that this possibility is a distant, distant one, simply because the gender-neutral conceit is a fun one for V, and not likely to run dry anytime soon.

I would guess that if a gender is assigned, and that if it is chosen from the standard male/female paradigm, that the choice will be male. I make this guess merely based on the thought that for many characters, name is predictive of identity, and V's name ends in a Latin masculine convention. Certainly, I doubt that whatever language V was named in has the same conventions as latin, but the choice of the name was made by someone whose primary language is one with heavy subtextual Latin influence. Thus, it seems likely that even if V was generated with the intent of being gender-neutral, the inherent associations of the name used to identify this character may be considered indicators of subconscious authorial proclivities towards a masculine destiny.
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Old 10-17-2006, 06:09 PM   Top  -  End  -  #156
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Almost every strip I percieve V to be male.
And the Giant wants us to view V as gender neutral. It makes a more interesting character.
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Old 10-17-2006, 06:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #157
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V always struck me as female- maybe more of a tought girl at some points, but still a girl. *Here's a big piece of evidence (from comic number 3)

Haley: So, the Boots of Speed were totally powerful, but they were, like, lime green.

V: Indeed. *A most grave conundrum you faced.

That is not the kind of statement a guy makes.
That's not exactly that kind of statement a girl makes, either. That's the kind of statement a sapient, anthropomorphic thesaurus makes. And it's kinda hard to tell whether V's being sarcastic or serious.
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Old 10-17-2006, 06:27 PM   Top  -  End  -  #158
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Nothing I can phrase in any non-inchohate manner, but my overall impression is that V is female. Maybe it's his/her emotional sensitivity of Haley's comfort around him. Thin leads, but that's where my money would go.
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Old 10-17-2006, 06:48 PM   Top  -  End  -  #159
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I have always, even before realizing that it was up for debate, thought that V was female, due to the way that (s)he interacts with Haley.

That said, I don't think it really matters, or that it will be revealed anytime soon, since one of V's defining traits is to be gender-ambiguous.
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:39 PM   Top  -  End  -  #160
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That said, I don't think it really matters, or that it will be revealed anytime soon, since one of V's defining traits is to be gender-ambiguous.
Which is one of the reasons he/she/it is my favourite character. I doubt I'd like Vaarsuvius as much if I knew his/her/its gender.
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Old 10-19-2006, 09:28 AM   Top  -  End  -  #161
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Other characters in the comic seem to think he's male, too.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0306.html
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Old 10-19-2006, 09:37 AM   Top  -  End  -  #162
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But other characters (e.g. Nale) think V is female. You'll need better evidence than that.
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:24 AM   Top  -  End  -  #163
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/Quote/"That's not exactly that kind of statement a girl makes, either. That's the kind of statement a sapient, anthropomorphic thesaurus makes." /End Quote/
Not sure how to do quotes...I suck at computer literacy. Anyway, please allow me to LOL! Next time I roll character, I'll apply the Anthropomorphic template from Savage Species to an Awakened thesaurus construct---then I can REALLY throw the book at the bad guys!
Oh, and my opinion of V's gender changes from strip to strip. I think that Rich's choice to make a gender-uncertain character in the first place is six shades of AWSOME. You'd never see something like that on the comic strip pages of the newspaper(at least, not in most places in America)! Thanks Rich, keep keep the mystery alive.
Edit: Okay, I now figured out how to "Quote" but still I don't know how to do so retroactively in the "Modify" text box. Can it even be done?
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:27 AM   Top  -  End  -  #164
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there's a tiny little "Quote" written by the post header, that's how you quote a text


V... I don't think V would ever be sarcastic with Haley, at least hir's not shown such behaviour yet.
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Old 10-19-2006, 10:35 AM   Top  -  End  -  #165
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Well despite it being a nickname and Sir Norbert knowing a girl called 'V Man' (I still think that's a little pecular) my own humble opinion is that for the first few comics, Rich thought of V as a guy.

After a while he started playing up the femininity a bit, the whole prissy elf thing, and then thought, 'hey, I never did say that he was a guy', and started this whole vagueness to add depth to the character.
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:03 AM   Top  -  End  -  #166
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Works the same for me, I like it \o/
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:13 AM   Top  -  End  -  #167
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Women are drawn in a very feminine way even sticky, even in robes. V is not.

His name ends in -us

Other characters refer to him as a "he".

Everyone knows male elves might look feminine, and not the other way around ::)

As evidence goes, it's suggested he's a "he". If for any reason one might want to think otherwise, it's not a crime. Strips where there is confusion about it have been fun.
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:21 AM   Top  -  End  -  #168
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Bother reading the whole thing and you'll see that the name termination isn't even closely linked to hir gender.
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:22 AM   Top  -  End  -  #169
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I would say male, because only one character has reffered to V as "she" so unless every character is wrong, Id say male.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:06 PM   Top  -  End  -  #170
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MALE!

Stop making me say "her" at times; V is a fe- I mean er... V IS A MALE!

Varsuuvious (sp) was obviously a male before The Giant found a joke to pimp!
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Old 10-19-2006, 01:45 PM   Top  -  End  -  #171
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Well despite it being a nickname and Sir Norbert knowing a girl called 'V Man' (I still think that's a little pecular) my own humble opinion is that for the first few comics, Rich thought of V as a guy.
Maybe I should add that my opinion is the same as yours :D but I do want to emphasise that we really don't know! So when someone comes out with "I'm sure he's male" or "I'm sure she's female", I like to make a couple of points on the other side to keep the balance ;) It's tremendous fun how long this has been spun out for and I want it to keep going... so long as it IS revealed at the end.
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:42 PM   Top  -  End  -  #172
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I think V is female because of certain subtler reasons rather than obvious traits people think of as masculine, which are probably stereotype-influenced. Don't let stereotypes cloud your vision-they don't apply to everyone. I'm female and I have lots of traits you would probably say are masculine.
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Old 10-30-2006, 05:56 PM   Top  -  End  -  #173
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So I think she's a girl. Why? I just kinda get a vibe from V. This and her analysis of Belkar's mind (lust or hate), leans toward her being a girl. All who Belkar had lusted after where girls so V should be too.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #174
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Male!

1. The name clearly hints towards male. The roman -us indicates masculinity.

2. Both of V's linear guild opposites are male.

3. There are several references to him as being male. In #306, the wizards refer to him as "he" and in #9, Roy calls him "V-Man".

This is the hard evidence. I don't want to examine his behaviour in detail and analyse how certain traits are male/female. There are no unequivocal hints towards V being female but several towards him being male. I have yet to see an argument that is better than "V's behaviour looks kinda female to me".
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Male!

1. The name clearly hints towards male. The roman -us indicates masculinity.

2. Both of V's linear guild opposites are male.

3. There are several references to him as being male. In #306, the wizards refer to him as "he" and in #9, Roy calls him "V-Man".
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Counter point 1. V is Elven. So roman naming indications does not necessarily apply. (My name's Jack. Confused people calls me Jackie. So... Name =/= gender)

Counter point 2. Roy's counter part is half-orc, Durkon's counter part is female.

Counter point 3. There are comics where V is referred to as a she ;
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Roy (#9)
Elan (#87)
Nale (#252)
2 Azure wizards (#306)

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Dwarven assassin (#240)
Sabine (#252)

Unclear
Horse valet (#173)
Belkar (#177)

Score: 4-3-2
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:55 AM   Top  -  End  -  #176
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V was referred to only as male for quite a long time. Leading me to believe that the only reason the joke is even in existant is because some people somehow thought he was female.

It's kind of how like the word Gay originally meant "Happy", but because of a sheer number of idiots thinking it meant "homosexual" even the official definition changed.
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So I think she's a girl. Why? I just kinda get a vibe from V. This and her analysis of Belkar's mind (lust or hate), leans toward her being a girl. All who Belkar had lusted after where girls so V should be too.
There's no evidence that does lust after . The Event, as V calls it, was caused by alcohol. V's rationalization of it is as bad as 's logic in 406.
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There's no evidence that does lust after . The Event, as V calls it, was caused by alcohol. V's rationalization of it is as bad as 's logic in 406.
Alchohol, helping men get laid since 1234 B.C.. Seriously though, I agree, a feminine male would certainly appear female under the influence. Once a friend of a friend got so drunk he couldn't tell the difference, and was hitting on everyone, males included.

The next day was fun, since he did not remember anything.
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V was referred to only as male for quite a long time. Leading me to believe that the only reason the joke is even in existant is because some people somehow thought he was female.

It's kind of how like the word Gay originally meant "Happy", but because of a sheer number of idiots thinking it meant "homosexual" even the official definition changed.
While I will agree that 123( the one scene in the Inn with the orbs) strips is a long time. But they have referred to V as a male only a few times. And only seen clearly in 2 strips. as noted back on page two by Wrecan.

Though wiki is well... Wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
The word did not change that simply.
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My pet theory involves an absent-minded player and a sadistic GM


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