While I will agree that 123( the one scene in the Inn with the orbs) strips is a long time. But they have referred to V as a male only a few times. And only seen clearly in 2 strips. as noted back on page two by Wrecan.
Yes but how often to you really refer to a friend/acquaintence(sp?) by his gender? Usually you say his name.
People who know call me John, or Setra and I cannot recall being called "He", or "Him", by someone I know.
Edit: I just thought something, I know this is counter-productive to my arguement but...
People argue that boobs could have something to do with your Charisma Score. Haley and Miko are known to have fair Charisma, and also pronounced breasts. V however is known to have low cha, so a flat chest, presuming V is female?
I still think V is male but I think it's an interesting thought.
Alchohol, helping men get laid since 1234 B.C.. Seriously though, I agree, a feminine male would certainly appear female under the influence. Once a friend of a friend got so drunk he couldn't tell the difference, and was hitting on everyone, males included.
The next day was fun, since he did not remember anything.
That does sound alot like what happened to . He couldn't remember The Event either. I'm so glad that alcohol never makes me lose my memory.
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The best I could come up with involves a cheeky GM and an absentminded player:
: Hmm. What is this - Alignment: Male, Gender: True Neutral?
: Oops, I changed the layout on my character sheets and forgot... let me correct it
: I don't think so. Where would we end if we changed fundamental and defining traits of our characters on a whim?
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V has always struck me as a male - a male much like my friends and me, who are mostly actors. His rants of terrible death that will rain upon his enemies and especially the 'cast comic' representation of V - 'and each one would drive you mad! MAD!!' - are mirrors of my own behavior.
To those who cite the Boots of Speed conversation, V's reply is completely typical for a verbose male who is very good friends with the female speaker - sympathetic, making allowances for the teller to continue, without directly getting involved in the conversation.
To those who cite V's bunking with Haley - if indeed V is male, then that does *not* mean that he instantly tries to sleep with her. V is happily married and is a non-sexual good friend of Haley's. Though it may be unthinkable for some males out there, elven psychology is different from human, and their sexual drive may be less intense or even nonexistent; we cannot know.
To conclude: V's actions are perfectly explained if viewed through the lens of a sensitive, verbose, dramatic, vocally-androgynous male.
Well, I debated internally for quite awhile over whether to share this. It's really kinda fun to know you know the answer to something when a bunch of people are debating it back and forth :) But I'm just so good hearted and all, I have to tell you.
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The Giant has revealed the answer in a comic. I'm not saying which one, but he totally did clearly, unmistakably include a reference to V's gender which would absolutely be accurate.
I didn't see it on first reading. Or the third reading, for that matter. I think it's because "The Reference" identified the gender as the one I was convinced of anyways, so I just glossed over it. But the fourth reading I stopped and said "Hey! That's THE PROOF!" Wow, I know V's gender! I was chortling for 5 minutes, all happy with myself for catching it. Which goes to show you that no matter how old you are, you can still act like a child on a sugar high when nobody's looking :D
Giant, if you read this, my congratulations. You set the bar really high on this one :D
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Gaah! How BLIND can people be to not see that V is female? And I guessed something a book before it happened once, so I think you should listen.
V is a lot like me, and I have a good understanding of other people (but V does not share my capacity to guess gender) and I can piece together certain things that V has said and done.
V hates Belkar liking her-a common girl's response to a guy having a crush on her when she's married or has a bf is "oh, no". V rooms only with Haley, a thing that supports my theory. And, in case you haven't noticed, each original adventuring party has had four males and two females in it, if you count V as a female. The data is shown here:
Original OOTS:
Male: Roy, Durkon, Elan, and Belkar
Female: V and Haley
Original Linear Guild:
Male: Nale, Thog, Zz'dtri, and Yikyik
Female: Sabine and Hilgya
Original Order of the Scribble:
Male: Soon, Kraagor, Girard, and Dorukan
Female: Lirian and Serini
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Gaah! How BLIND can people be to not see that V is female? And I guessed something a book before it happened once, so I think you should listen.
Even if you think you are correct, you cannot prove it, so do not act like it is already fact.
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V hates Belkar liking her-a common girl's response to a guy having a crush on her when she's married or has a bf is "oh, no".
Last I checked, any straight guy would hate Belkar kissing them.
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V rooms only with Haley, a thing that supports my theory.
I for one would rather room with Haley than Belkar, Roy, or Elan. Durkon is cool though, but I am not V.
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And, in case you haven't noticed, each original adventuring party has had four males and two females in it, if you count V as a female. The data is shown here:
Original OOTS:
Male: Roy, Durkon, Elan, and Belkar
Female: V and Haley
Original Linear Guild:
Male: Nale, Thog, Zz'dtri, and Yikyik
Female: Sabine and Hilgya
Original Order of the Scribble:
Male: Soon, Kraagor, Girard, and Dorukan
Female: Lirian and Serini
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Sabine refers to V as "girl" although while intoxicated. V had to hide behind the dragon's tail while dressing, and has a very feminine hair (typical in the females in the strips) and referred to the life-companion as 'mate', typically insinuating a male, which one would assume is the way V would speak of someone.
Despite that, I still can't clearly decide. I'm also a fan of the theory that the "player is female" and the other players forget that the character is supposed to be male.
Oh well.
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Sabine refers to V as "girl" although while intoxicated.
Hey, you got it too! That's "The Reference" that I was yaddering about.
Sabine looks right at V in the bar and says "Sister". I even put a hint in the line "Giant.... You set the bar really high..." just to be extra sneakily smug with myself :D
Since Sabine is supernatural and her senses can probably penetrate even illusions, I'm taking it that she would be right about V's gender, drunk or sober.
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Hey, you got it too! That's "The Reference" that I was yaddering about.
Sabine looks right at V in the bar and says "Sister". I even put a hint in the line "Giant.... You set the bar really high..." just to be extra sneakily smug with myself :D
Since Sabine is supernatural and her senses can probably penetrate even illusions, I'm taking it that she would be right about V's gender, drunk or sober.
Sabine also refers to V as Male, in comic #252 she refers to V as "the elf dude". Even with her supernatural senses, she still has no clue.
I don't think the bit with the doily would've been nearly as hilarious if V had been female. A woman doing serious research on a bit of lacy decoration... meh. A guy doing serious research on a bit of lacy decoration, and coming to the conclusion that it holds the key to ultimate power over the cosmos--comedy gold!
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It would be most interesting if V was male, actually. A woman displaying all of V's traits would be "breaking out of the box" by having aggressive traits (like loving the smell of dead enemy in the morning). While a perfectly commendable character and well-done in many other places, that latter is the point as to why I prefer V as a male: this first character has been done already, and well to boot.
A man displaying V's traits, on the other hand, would be a man with highly sensitive traits and an utter resistance to trying Halley in any way- a man who a young girl would trust alone with her in a room, while sleeping. That makes him both a man of high integrity- and good fashion sense.
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V always struck me as a guy, an androgynous guy, but a guy nonetheless.
and I don't understand what V rooming with Haley has to do with anything. Contrary to popular belief, not all males think with their nether regions and have a bit of fun when a girl is sleeping in the same room.
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V always struck me as a guy, an androgynous guy, but a guy nonetheless.
and I don't understand what V rooming with Haley has to do with anything. Contrary to popular belief, not all males think with their nether regions and have a bit of fun when a girl is sleeping in the same room.
But many men in fiction are presented as having that problem. Subverting the stereotype would be... fun.
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Here's a new argument to drive everyone nuts for a while
(Yes, I know it's trivial. Just threw it together for fun.)
Isn't the differing eye level just a consequence of the differing hairstyles? The females with the lower eyes also have much lower fringes to their hair than the men do. If you put the eyes that low with a high fringe they'd look like some sort of mutant...
Hmm, good point. *Remembers something and goes looking*...
Ok, what about Roy and the belt of gender changing? Compare the eye placement of male Roy in #234 and female Roy in the first two panels of #235 before (s)he wore the mop.
I apologize if this has been mentioned before, I havn't read the entire post.
In episode #306 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0306.html
The wizard at the end says to "let 'him' sleep it off". being a wizard, he may know more about elven gender. Of course, he may just be as confused as we all are.
I apologize if this has been mentioned before, I havn't read the entire post.
In episode #306 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0306.html
The wizard at the end says to "let 'him' sleep it off". being a wizard, he may know more about elven gender. Of course, he may just be as confused as we all are.
I wasn't aware sexing elves was part of the wizard job description. I doubt he gave it much thought when he called V "him."
The best I could come up with involves a cheeky GM and an absentminded player:
: Hmm. What is this - Alignment: Male, Gender: True Neutral?
: Oops, I changed the layout on my character sheets and forgot... let me correct it
: I don't think so. Where would we end if we changed fundamental and defining traits of our characters on a whim?
Funny you mention that, because one of my brother's first characters had "Chaotic Female" listed as alignment. We all had a laugh at his expense, until they had seen the armor type on my character had been listed as "Plate."
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: Hmm. What is this - Alignment: Male, Gender: True Neutral?
: Oops, I changed the layout on my character sheets and forgot... let me correct it
. He couldn't remember The Event either. I'm so glad that alcohol never makes me lose my memory.
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