Arena Tournament, Round 21: Yemish vs. Tayalyn

[theterran]

I'm done...are you needing a ref before you take your turn BM?

[Bigmac]

I dunno? I guess since your invisiable there isn't any LoS, but I was waiting to see if I sensed anything before I took my turn. So yes I am waiting on results from my spot and listen checks before moving forward. I could tell you what I rolled, but without revealing my location you wouldn't be able to add the correct modifiers and so wouldn't be able to tell me if I sensed you or not.

[theterran]

Very true, I'll request a ref again.

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

Still working through the actions for the LoS check. Meanwhile:
@theterran

Spoiler

How did you cast from the invisible scroll?

[theterran]

@Maurkov

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You know, I never even considered that...
So what's the plan here now...since I've basically casted from scrolls since the onset of this match, it would pretty much make all my actions invalid from Round 2 on...

Should this be started over? or just Rewind it back to Round 2? or just say that I never casted anything from scrolls other than invisibility and still have them in my possession?

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

@theterran

Spoiler

If you're okay with that, yes, let's "uncast" the two scrolls. Rewinding to round 3 isn't fair to Bigmac since you've got extra information now that you didn't have then, and I'd rather not restart restart the match.

The hawk can still see him, so we'll resove that attack. You move to J24.

A hawk appears at G25, 10' up, enters H24, 0' and attacks. It hits AC23 for 2 points of slashing/piercing damage. If Yemish threatens at 5' or 10', he can take an AoO.

@Bigmac

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I don't believe that triggers the readied action. You see the hawk. No sign of Tayalyn

It is Yemish's turn.

[Bigmac]

did he roll for concealment? I'm in a squre that has a 30% chance for him to miss even if it hit my AC. I might threaten if you would consider a crossbow to be a makeshift melee weapon, but I doubt I would hit with my whopping 6 str so I won't even bother with the attack.

Yemish will remain where he is for now.

End of his turn.

Stats:

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HP 11 (or mybe 9)
AC 16
Effects: Skate 5/10, Prescience, Offensive 3/10, ready action (below)
Location: G26 (hiding DC13)

Ready Action: Use power stone of energy missle if he sees and hears tayalyn casting a spell, using a supernatural ability, or attacking him

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

Originally Posted by Bigmac

did he roll for concealment?

No. theterran, please roll that now.
@bigmac, refs

Spoiler

If you're not holding still (Dex Mod -> -5), are you still able to hide effectively? RAW, I see there's a -20 for attacking, but no mention of defending. If you still consider yourself hidden, I'll want a high ref to "make up rules."

[theterran]

@Maurkov

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There is a problem with that though...I did cast Expeditious Retreat from a scroll, so i got the added bonus of being able to move at a quicker rate. Actually, since I didn't cast any of those spells, we can just say I double moved and continue as is.

(1d100)[10] > 30 Hits
(edit) Meh...

You're up in Round 6 BM.

Update Ref Stats:

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Location:J24
Hawk Location: Depends on Spot Check
HP: 9/9
AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10
Invisibility (5/30)
Scrolls Used: Invisibility
Spells:

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Level 0 - Caltroups, Sonic Snap, Resistance, Flare (D)
Level 1 - Color Spray, Instant Diversion, Instant Diversion, Burning Hands (D)
Level 2 - Scorching Ray, Scorching Ray

Hawk Stats:

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Tiny Animal
HP -- 5/5
AC -- 18 (+2 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 15, flat-footed 15
Initiative: +3
Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)
Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)
Low Light Vision
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 6
Skills: Listen +4, Spot +16
Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse

[Bigmac]

Forgot to edit that out when I cut and pasted the status block. I'm in G26, trying not to get my eyes pecked out. He remains in that square for now.

End of round 6.

Stats:

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HP 11 (or mybe 9)
AC 16
Effects: Skate 6/10, Prescience, Offensive 4/10, ready action (below)
Location: G26

Ready Action: Use power stone of energy missle if he sees and hears tayalyn casting a spell, using a supernatural ability, or attacking him

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

@theterran, refs

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[W]e can just say I double moved and continue as is.

Yes.

Yemish completed his Round 6 action, but I may need a response from Bigmac and/or a high ref to proceed.

Edit: Ninja

[theterran]

Tayalyn - Round 6

@Refs

Spoiler

My hawk is a tiny creature so he actually has to enter into the square that my opponent occupies in order to attack.

Assuming my hawk can still see him, my hawk will attack again, and Tayalyn will watch where he attack before making her move.

Hawk Attacks Yemish again (assuming LoS wasn't broken)

Attack - (1d20+5)[6]
Damage - (1d4-2)[-1]

@refs

Spoiler

Assuming I can see which square the hawk attacks, I will let it get clear and then Fiery Burst the square it attacked.

Damage - (2d6)[7] Reflex Halves DC:17

Depending on if he has a readied action will effect my move action.

Turn Not Finished.

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

What with dodging the hawk, BM and I agreed that Yemish isn't effectivly hiding anymore. You can see him in G26. After the hawk misses and before the next thing, where does the hawk go?

[theterran]

He'll fly on to E26

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

After the second unsuccessful attack, the hawk flies off to E26. Then an explosion of fire scorches Yemish (7 pts Ref DC17 for 1/2). Tayalyn appears in J24.

@Bigmac

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By a strict reading of the ready action, it does not trigger. While she was producing the blast she was invisible. Now that she's visible, she's no longer doing anything on the trigger list. I won't be offended if you go get a second opinion.

Yemish doesn't react.

It is still theterran's turn.

[Bigmac]

I would argue that Tayalyn would become visable just before the effect as we have treated all other cases where a caster is casting an offensive area of effect spell targeting an opponent. An invisble caster becomes visable before the color spray is resolved. Thus, Yemish would see him in the process of attacking him via the supernatural ability and that would trigger his ready action. I guess it boils down to how you determine the ready action. You can also refer to how a similar situation was resolved the first time we fought here

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

Originally Posted by Bigmac

I would argue that Tayalyn would become visable just before the effect as we have treated all other cases where a caster is casting an offensive area of effect spell targeting an opponent. An invisble caster becomes visable before the color spray is resolved. Thus, Yemish would see him in the process of attacking him via the supernatural ability and that would trigger his ready action. I guess it boils down to how you determine the ready action. You can also refer to how a similar situation was resolved the first time we fought here

The example you cited should seriously have required referee attention, as it wasn't handled correctly. I'm sorry I missed it.

Anyway, the action that causes the break in invisibility happens while still invisible (since it gains all the benefits from being invisible), as far as I read the rules. However, I would rule that Bigmac's ready action still triggers, but it occurs after Tayalyn's fiery burst. I think the trigger is close enough to count.

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

Are you saying that if an invisible caster was using a weapon-like spell, you wouldn't be denied your dex against the attack? If the caster was adjacent, would he trigger an AoO from the casting, or from using a missile attack (full concealment generally being proof against AoOs)? I'm not convinced. I think the caster appears after the attack resolves, once he is no longer casting.

Edit: Ninjas everywhere. So, I have been overruled: Yemish reacts.

[Bigmac]

Reflex Save
reflex - (1d20+3)[20] vs dc17

Yemish's action is to manafest his power stone.
levelcheck - (1d20+1)[2] vs dc3

If successful it deals damage - (3d6+5)[19], DC12 fort save for half.

[Bigmac]

oopscheck - (1d20-1)[8] vs dc 5

[theterran]

Tayalyn - Round 6 (cont)

I move north and break LoS.

@refs

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I move to I 20.

End my Turn.

Stats:

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Location:I20
Hawk Location: E25
HP: 9/9
AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10
Scrolls Used: Invisibility
Spells:

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Level 0 - Caltroups, Sonic Snap, Resistance, Flare (D)
Level 1 - Color Spray, Instant Diversion, Instant Diversion, Burning Hands (D)
Level 2 - Scorching Ray, Scorching Ray

Hawk Stats:

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Tiny Animal
HP -- 5/5
AC -- 18 (+2 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 15, flat-footed 15
Initiative: +3
Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)
Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)
Low Light Vision
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 6
Skills: Listen +4, Spot +16
Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse

[Bigmac]

Yemish Round 7

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Yemish will move from G26 to F25->B25->A26. There he will drop his power stone as a free action and then fire his crossbow at the hawk. He will also expend his psionic focus to use psionic shot.

attack - (1d20+5)[8]
damage - (3d6+3)[11]

End of my turn. Probably need an LoS check.

Stats:

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HP 8
AC 16
Effects: Skate 7/10, Prescience, Offensive 5/10
Location: A26

[theterran]

((Assuming no LoS))
Tayalyn - Round 7

@Refs

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Move Action: Draw scroll of Mirror Image.
Standard Action: Cast Mirror Image.

CLC - (1d20+1)[5] DC4
Images - (1d4+1)[3]

Spot - (1d20+1)[11]
Listen - (1d20+1)[12]

End my Turn.

Stats:

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Location:I20
Hawk Location: E25
HP: 9/9
AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10
Scrolls Used: Invisibility, Mirror Image
Spells:

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Level 0 - Caltroups, Sonic Snap, Resistance, Flare (D)
Level 1 - Color Spray, Instant Diversion, Instant Diversion, Burning Hands (D)
Level 2 - Scorching Ray, Scorching Ray

Hawk Stats:

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Tiny Animal
HP -- 5/5
AC -- 18 (+2 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 15, flat-footed 15
Initiative: +3
Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)
Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)
Low Light Vision
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 6
Skills: Listen +4, Spot +16
Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse

[Bronz]

High Ref Bronz

LoS re-established with Yemish in A26 who fired a bolt at and missed the hawk and Tayalyn in I20.

Terran may redo his turn if wanted as it was done with the assumption of no LoS.

[theterran]

FYI, the hawk is in E26.

I'll keep my actions as is.

You're up BM, and btw, you see 4 of me.

[Bigmac]

I'm pretty sure that even though I failed the CL check, that since I passed the wisdom check that the stone is still good. I'll bo operating under those assumptions.

Yemish will pick up his energy stone and try to manafest it again. The energy missle power can target up to 5 people no more than 15ft apart, so one missle will hit each Tayalyn.

CLcheck - (1d20+1)[6] vs DC3
damage - (3d6+5)[12], Fort save DC12 for half

Stats:

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HP 8
AC 16
Effects: Skate 8/10, Prescience, Offensive 6/10
Location: A26

[Bronz]

High Ref Bronz

I'm sorry BigMac, but I disagree. As powerstones are directly related to scrolls, the rules for scrolls can be used.

So Quoteth the SRD:

Originally Posted by scrolls

Activating a scroll spell is subject to disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would be. Using a scroll is like casting a spell for purposes of arcane spell failure chance.

As scroll use is subject to disruption (and therefore consumed as a spell is), a failed casting can be assumed to be a disruption. There was no mishap but the power is gone.

Feel free to grab Jacob or Kyeudo if you disagree.

[Bigmac]

From the 3.5 FAQ on wizards. If you don't sucessfully activate a scroll and make your wisdom check then the scroll is not used up. Since Power stone = scroll pretty much, I figure this is the same for power stones.

It is located on the 3.5 FAQ on this page.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/faq

On page 54 under Scrolls.

[Bronz]

High Ref Bronz

I stand corrected. I was going off of intuition via the SRD. Didn't know it was in the FAQ (which contradicts reason sometimes). But as we are using the tower shield rules out of the FAQ this should be no different.

Carry on.

[theterran]

Lovely...a save or die...

Fortitude - (1d20+1)[14]

and we continue on...