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Re: First time DMing and already killed a character.
And to think, all this "Snuggles" business started from the long running joke hard n' true fact that a housecat can destroy a commoner (and now, as it turns out, an epic level anything).
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You know, this last incarnation seem to have lost some of its appeal. It was much cooler when it was tiny.
I shall now herald you as the prophet of the One True Snuggles, and attempt to organize a Conservative Church of the Dark Lord Snuggles around you and your teachings.
Submit to the CCotDLS, mortals, and perhaps the Tiny Cute Evil One will spare you. Perhaps.
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All hail Suggles!!!
Out of interest what are "That Damn Crab" and the "Epic Salmon"
That Damn Crab is a Monstrous Crab that is exceptionally powerful for its stated CR. It's expected that the crab would be a decent challenge for a group of ECL 6-8. People thought it'd be funny if they added a bunch of templates to it and made it into a god. I don't know about the Salmon, but I imagine it's pretty much the same thing.
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You know, this last incarnation seem to have lost some of its appeal. It was much cooler when it was tiny.
Where's this Epic Salmon?
Damn you Chuck Norris! Why must we suffer so?
Epic Salmon's a GameFAQs contribution, and because there is a faster purge on old posts there, I can't link it. It resulted from people noticing Salmon couldn't actually statistically swim up waterfalls, so they added templates until it could.
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I shall now herald you as the prophet of the One True Snuggles, and attempt to organize a Conservative Church of the Dark Lord Snuggles around you and your teachings.
Submit to the CCotDLS, mortals, and perhaps the Tiny Cute Evil One will spare you. Perhaps.
I'm having an insurrection here! The One True Snuggles is a housecat with disintegrate at-will and a shield brooch. None of this tentacled madness!
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Originally Posted by AstralFire
Epic Salmon's a GameFAQs contribution, and because there is a faster purge on old posts there, I can't link it. It resulted from people noticing Salmon couldn't actually statistically swim up waterfalls, so they added templates until it could.
This is a bit of an understatement; I think it would be more appropriate to say that they added templates until the Salmon could devour waterfalls: and then things got nuts after that.
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I shall now herald you as the prophet of the One True Snuggles, and attempt to organize a Conservative Church of the Dark Lord Snuggles around you and your teachings.
Submit to the CCotDLS, mortals, and perhaps the Tiny Cute Evil One will spare you. Perhaps.
Clearly, you are a backwards ignorant who is not fit to touch the tiniest fur of our Dark Lord's soft coat.
Snuggles is not content with remaining as he is. We must progress the worship of Snuggles and Snuggles himself, so we may...
Uh...
Do stuff!
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oh dear, are we dividing into Sects already?
very well, pick your name, weekly meeting place and baseball uniform colour.
first game on thursday, snacks will be available for purchase, bring your own chair.
use of evil soul destroying magic is frowned upon in the first inning
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Originally Posted by lordhenry4000
This is a bit of an understatement; I think it would be more appropriate to say that they added templates until the Salmon could devour waterfalls: and then things got nuts after that.
You need a DC 80 Check to make it up Waterfalls and I believe they decided to make up the difference purely with strength checks, so it is possible that the Salmon could devour waterfalls before it could swim up them, yes.
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Snuggles weakness: A small shaft of warm natural sunlight, only then does snuggles sleeps. To bribe snuggles, must bring can of tuna. If you brought can opener adn are opening said can of tune you get a +10 (or +20) to handle animal check (or would that be a survival check?)
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Snuggles weakness: A small shaft of warm natural sunlight, only then does snuggles sleeps. To bribe snuggles, must bring can of tuna. If you brought can opener adn are opening said can of tune you get a +10 (or +20) to handle animal check (or would that be a survival check?)
handle animal? HANDLE ANIMAL?
*SLAP!*
thou hast better invested ranks in handle GOD or you'll soon be wishing you had a bloody stump to draw back.
Dark lord snuggles dines only on Epic Salmon canned in infernal bronze, the only can opener worthy of his attention is a holy avenger, which he uses as a toothpick after dining first on your charred corpse, and then on the salmon at his leisure.
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Originally Posted by Lord Denyuar
Snuggles weakness: A small shaft of warm natural sunlight, only then does snuggles sleeps. To bribe snuggles, must bring can of tuna. If you brought can opener adn are opening said can of tune you get a +10 (or +20) to handle animal check (or would that be a survival check?)
Sure. You can roll Handle Animal to interact with Snuggles, if he doesn't roll Handle Animal to interact with you first. Even if you did go first, the DC is somewhere near Graham's Number. That +10 or +20 isn't going to help too much unless you're using it on your damage roll with the Holy Avenger to open his salmon
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handle animal?
Dark lord snuggles dines only on Epic Salmon canned in infernal bronze, the only can opener worthy of his attention is a holy avenger, which he uses as a toothpick after dining first on your charred corpse, and then on the salmon at his leisure.
This is probably my favorite part of the thread so far. Points for making me laugh out loud.
Also, I'm not certain its the original Epic Salmon, but when searching google to double-check its exact composition, I found an archived Wizards thread that declared it to be a Pseudonatural Paragon Tauric Gold Dragon/Salmon of Legend. I thought the giant pair of gold dragon wings instead of salmon fins was a nice touch, as was the modified breath weapon of breathing out a gigantic cone of fish.
As for Snuggles, however, I must favor the original words of the prophet Astralfire:
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It's not snuggles if it doesn't have a Shield Brooch for an eye and the ability to cast disintegrate at will from the other.
And what's it take to get some artist to get us some pictures of the Cat of the Deadly Eyes, anyways? I'd doodle and sketch during class, but it wouldn't look any good.
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Holy cow this got out of hand.
Wasn't able to access internet due to computer problems.
To answer the initial questions asked:
The game is DnD.
Encounter:
5 level 5 characters, fighting a zombie 5-headed hydra and about 15 zombie commoners. hydra on one end, zombies on other end of a 20 ft wide, 200 ft long hallway. Killed wizard with hydra, got barbarian into negatives, and brought another player to exactly 0 hp.
The problem was that the group tried to split up and fight both at once, instead of taking out one group or the other. A wizard and a barbarian fighting alone versus the hydra allowed their death/near-death.
First off, is this EL to high for the party or was the party just being stupid?
Also, I should note that the hydra killed the wizard on three solid hits and one critical, bringing him from full health to death.
As for the other multiple pages, I haven't looked at everything yet.
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Also, funny thing happened. The first actual encounter was with a housecat. A maze that threw out a different monster each time you went back to the start, starting with a housecat and working its way up the CR. They ended up at CR 5, where I was hoping it would end, killing a dire lion and figuring out the puzzle.
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Holy cow this got out of hand.
Wasn't able to access internet due to computer problems.
To answer the initial questions asked:
The game is DnD.
Encounter:
5 level 5 characters, fighting a zombie 5-headed hydra and about 15 zombie commoners. hydra on one end, zombies on other end of a 20 ft wide, 200 ft long hallway. Killed wizard with hydra, got barbarian into negatives, and brought another player to exactly 0 hp.
The problem was that the group tried to split up and fight both at once, instead of taking out one group or the other. A wizard and a barbarian fighting alone versus the hydra allowed their death/near-death.
First off, is this EL to high for the party or was the party just being stupid?
Also, I should note that the hydra killed the wizard on three solid hits and one critical, bringing him from full health to death.
As for the other multiple pages, I haven't looked at everything yet.
hi OP
welcome to the cult of snuggles
But i would personally say that scenario might be a BIT over the top-EL wise. But they had choices, and made a poor choice by splitting up. They should have mopped up the zombies, and then pegged if they didnt have the reserves left over to take out the hydra
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some1 needs to stat out snuggles, the tiny one that can shoot disentigrate at will and has a broach of shielding for the other eye, yet is still unbelievably strong and fast and has multiple deity ranks
i would do it myself, but i don't have books for paragon and diety ranks
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You need a DC 80 Check to make it up Waterfalls and I believe they decided to make up the difference purely with strength checks, so it is possible that the Salmon could devour waterfalls before it could swim up them, yes.
Wouldn't a swim speed negate the problem of making swim checks?
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Wouldn't a swim speed negate the problem of making swim checks?
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A creature with a swim speed can move through water at its indicated speed without making Swim checks. It gains a +8 racial bonus on any Swim check to perform a special action or avoid a hazard. The creature always can choose to take 10 on a Swim check, even if distracted or endangered when swimming. Such a creature can use the run action while swimming, provided that it swims in a straight line.
It needs to use them for special actions, like waterfall swimming.
I'll take a shot at statting The One True Snuggles shortly.
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I'll take a shot at statting The One True Snuggles shortly.
Please, let me.
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Snuggles Cat Size/Type: Tiny Animal (Perfectly Normal Cat, Cute) Hit Dice: ∞ d8+∞ (∞ hp) Initiative: +∞ Speed: ∞ ft. (∞ squares) Armor Class: ∞ (+2 size, +∞ Dex, +∞ Awesome), touch ∞, flat-footed ∞ Base Attack/Grapple: +∞/+∞ Attack: Claw +∞ melee (1d∞+∞) Full Attack: 2 claws +∞ melee (1d∞+∞) and bite +∞ melee (1d∞+∞) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: All Special Qualities: All Saves: Fort +∞, Ref +∞, Will +∞ Abilities: Str ∞, Dex ∞, Con ∞, Int ∞, Wis ∞, Cha ∞ Skills: Snuggles has a +∞ modifier on all skills Feats: All Environment: Everywhere hope lies in the hearts of men Organization: Hopefully alone Alignment: Chaotic Evil Challenge Rating: ∞
Snuggles receives a +∞ awesome bonus on all skill checks.
Spell-Like Abilities (Ex): Snuggles may cast any spell that has ever existed, including Epic spells as a spell-like ability. He may research and create new Epic spells as a free action. He does not need any material components, focuses, XP, or any other requirements to cast spells. Snuggles casts all spells as a free action.
Small Harmless Kitten (Ex): Snuggles may gain or lose any feat, skill, class feature, Divine Rank, special ability, special quality, or special attack as a free action. All numerical modifiers become ∞, unless Snuggles chooses otherwise.
Win Dungeons & Dragons (Ex): Snuggles may win D&D as a free action.
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Hydras, if you're not expecting them, can be almost as bad as dragons in terms of disproportionately dangerous for their CR. Zombie hydras are more managable, but they retain almost all of their significant offensive capability.
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