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Re: League of Legends XXIV: Today's Noob Strat, Tomorrow's New Meta
CDE vs Dignitas is seriously tense.
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It's funny listening to hotshot pleading with CDE to make certain plays.
Edit: and there Hotshot explains why I'm not a fan of Atmogs Gp.
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aethernox
CDE vs Dignitas is seriously tense.
And slightly less tense now with the game pausing because of a video card issue.
On the plus side, a year ago, CDE would just have rolled over Dignitas 5v4 since the game would have continued.
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Edit: and there Hotshot explains why I'm not a fan of Atmogs Gp.
I'm listening to the SaintVicious stream. Why doesn't HotShotGG like Atmogs GP?
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Joran
I'm listening to the SaintVicious stream. Why doesn't HotShotGG like Atmogs GP?
No threat before completing Atma's unless you take redbuff from jungler.
EDIT: Wow Hotshot got so incredibly animated right there.
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and hotshot begins to rage followed by love, then back to rage.
Edit: and turns off his mike in the excitement. Lawl
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9mm
and hotshot begins to rage followed by love, then back to rage.
Back to love? CDE wins a teamfight, grabs Baron. Exciting stuff.
CDE wins game 2. Onto game 3 to determine who goes to Korea... again.
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That game was so good. I'm still hoping that CDE will win.
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aethernox
That game was so good. I'm still hoping that CDE will win.
I do too. I hate controversy, so an American WCG entry that is free of even a whiff of controversy would be nice.
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Is this streaming smoewhere I can watch it?
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Raistlin1040
Is this streaming smoewhere I can watch it?
Yup, right here:
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Math_Mage
CDE vs. Dignitas Bo3 to decide who gets to Korea. Hotshot's commentating
here, and there are a couple
other streams involved.
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game 3
CDE: Udyr, soraka, caitlyn, nocturne, karthus
DIG: morgana, rammus, jax, sona, vayne
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I crunched the numbers, and a pure AP/level runepage gives 4.62 AP per level. Masteries can up that by another 0.6 per level, for a total of 5.24 per level. That comes out to 21 AP at level 4.
What does this mean? This means a full AP/level runepage with appropriate masteries gets a free amplifying tome every four levels.
How do I stop something like that?
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Apparently someone finally told Hotshot that he didn't know how to pronounce Dignitas, and so it's pretty adorable listening to him trying to say it. I'll probably switch back to Dyrus' stream momentarily, but it's still a nice diversion.
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THANK YOU HOTSHOT. Finally someone tells it straight. Dignitas is not to blame here; it's WCG and their incredible incompetence that has created this mess, from Jatt to the double elimination fiasco. I would even lay the Dignitas hate at WCG's feet; they tried to keep their nose clean and let the community jump on Dignitas. It's incredibly unprofessional of WCG and they should be ashamed.
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I love how no one on CDE knows if they got Dragon there or not.
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I'm just watching Hotshot's stream because I like to watch pros, but he isn't playing. I'm assuming he's watching Dyrus or SaintVicious or something and commenting but I really don't know what's going on. Could someone fill me in on what's going on with some scandal and double elimination and CDE and Dignitas etc.
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CDE loses this one, calling it. Lost an inhib already, Jax farmed, Vayne farmed, horrible conflicting calls get four people killed....
sucks.
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HotshotGG is commentating either SV or Dyrus' stream, I imagine.
The teams are Dignitas versus CDE, who are a combination of TSM, CLG, and EG. The members of CDE (Chicks Dig Elo) are Dyrus, Saint Vicious, Reginald, Xpecial, and Chauster.
These games are part of the WCG USA finals. These finals were played a week ago, where CDE came from the losers bracket (that is, Dignitas had a 1 game advantage. Dig would have to go 1-0 or 1-1 to win, while CDE had to 2-0.) and beat Dignitas, ostensibly winning the finals and granting themselves a trip to the WCG finals in South Korea.
The WCG admins, amid a plethora of misinformation, decided that the final was supposed to be decided in best-of-three sets, rather than games. So, now, a week later, they're replaying the finals that CDE were under the impression that they had won. Also, Jatt should have been disqualified from competing based on his dual-citizenship: a WCG rule stipulates that you can only represent a single country in WCG.
Edit: CDE lost. :smallfrown: Their comp was terribly thought out. They picked Lanedyr because they wanted to counter Talon. They had to counter Talon because they banned Graves instead. That might have worked, but Talon was going to be a fifth pick and CDE revealed that they were running lanedyr when SV had Regi fourthpick Nocturne. If they had picked their AP carry fourth, they might not have had to deal with the Jax counterpick.
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Originally Posted by
tribble
I crunched the numbers, and a pure AP/level runepage gives 4.62 AP per level. Masteries can up that by another 0.6 per level, for a total of 5.24 per level. That comes out to 21 AP at level 4.
What does this mean? This means a full AP/level runepage with appropriate masteries gets a free amplifying tome every four levels.
How do I stop something like that?
Magic penetration will still be worth more by endgame. ~14% reduced effective HP against magic damage will be worth more than full AP/level.
No mana/5/level yellows mean possible starvation in lane and midgame if blue buff can't be 100% secured.
Some champions really like CDR blues. Others prefer MR/level blues so that they don't instantly die to burst lategame if they don't have any MR items (Abyssal Scepter comes to mind). 27% effective health against burst is a LOT.
Full flat AD, full crit chance, full AP/level pages all seem really hilarious on paper, but then you have to remember what you're giving up.
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balistafreak
Magic penetration will still be worth more by endgame. ~14% reduced effective HP against magic damage will be worth more than full AP/level.
No mana/5/level yellows mean possible starvation in lane and midgame if blue buff can't be 100% secured.
Some champions really like CDR blues. Others prefer MR/level blues so that they don't instantly die to burst lategame if they don't have any MR items (Abyssal Scepter comes to mind). 27% effective health against burst is a LOT.
Full flat AD, full crit chance, full AP/level pages all seem really hilarious on paper, but then you have to remember what you're giving up.
Mana per 5 seals are kind of overrated, but I strongly feel that blue buff should be donated. You might disagree.
MPen Reds, AP/Level seals, AP/Level Blues, and Flat AP quints is a totally legit setup.
Flat AD are super, super good on people that scale with it. They're phenomenal on Jax, Yorick, Lee Sin, jungle Riven, etc. CDR blues aren't great, honestly. I'd run them on very specific champions: Zilean, Lux. Otherwise, the difference between ~35% and 40% CDR lategame is pretty slim, and the extra midgame burst derived from AP/Level is often better, in my opinion.
Edit:
Good Guy Dyrus. Disconnects from vent where Regi et al are raging about their loss and blaming WCG, Voyboy, Jatt, and Matt Marcou. Has a friendly ingame conversation with Voyboy and tells him to "stay safe. people are being **** about your team."
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Warning: This Post is Full of Self-Realization, Read at your own Risk.
Well, where to start?
- I have broken out of my bots all day 'erry day shell and have started the forbidden and screwy roller coaster ride of solo queue. Almost immediately I was reminded why I never solo queue, but with my skill with League of Legends being as lack as it is, I have decided to throw away my pride and just let the losses rain down on me like a pile of bricks. I'm not as terrible as I thought.
- I have come to a saddening impasse: I cannot play Skarner at all. I do not know how to survive as him, my self-assumed skill with him is not so, and I know for a fact that pure AP does not work that well on him, but every time I try and take him somewhere else, I end up doing worse. I am at a loss, and am really sad and depressed that I can't play the character I like (this would also apply to Cho'Gath, Nocturne, Tryndamere, Mundo, Vladimir, Udyr, Olaf, Mordekaiser).
- I cannot for the life of me play either tank or melee dps (with the exception of Renekton). I cannot farm hard enough, kill often enough, and just get the damn gold I need to buy the items to turn myself into a killing machine. The only thing I can play relatively competently and effectively is the Mage (which is what I tried to do with Skarner, and it really hasn't worked).
- More than ofter, I feel like one of the key reasons why games tend to be lost when I play them. Typically this happens whenever I play with any of the people on Mumble. I am sorry I cannot be at a higher skill level like the rest of you.
So, yeah, my woes.
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Well seeing as iG and CLG Canada qualified, I honestly have no reason to root for Dignitas "Team USA" anyways.
Also: Regi being real **** about losing. Props to dyrus for telling Voy to "stay safe."
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TechnOkami
Warning: This Post is Full of Self-Realization, Read at your own Risk.
Well, where to start?
- I cannot for the life of me play either tank or melee dps (with the exception of Renekton). I cannot farm hard enough, kill often enough, and just get the damn gold I need to buy the items to turn myself into a killing machine. The only thing I can play relatively competently and effectively is the Mage (which is what I tried to do with Skarner, and it really hasn't worked).
So, yeah, my woes.
I broke this particular barrier by jungling Rammus until I learned to lane a little better. Maybe you can do the same with Udyr. (Though to be honest, you should be able to just max Turtle and sit in top lane farming all day.)
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TechnOkami
More than ofter, I feel like one of the key reasons why games tend to be lost when I play them. Typically this happens whenever I play with any of the people on Mumble. I am sorry I cannot be at a higher skill level like the rest of you.
You just need to give me a shout whenever I am on. I am sure I am alot closer to your skill level than most of the people on chat. If nothing else, I'm sure I could conjure up lulz to be had in spite of any performance.
Getting really antsy about seeing the patch notes. I really want to see what else Olaf got besides the ult change. Which, btw, I keep thinking this over, and I can't help but wonder if Irelia isn't an almost entirely superior Olaf who lanes instead of Jungles. They both build primary tank and rely on amazing in-built damage, both are anticarries, both pretty much don't care about CC, and both further enhance their tanky builds with innate lifegain on attack. The only thing is Irelia just comes in a package with much more, with more healing, a version of heal on hit that is generally better, can stick to targets better, and has hard cc. What, if any, major advantages does Olaf currently have over Irelia? Just the difference between strong CC resistance and outright immunity?
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Getting really antsy about seeing the patch notes. I really want to see what else Olaf got besides the ult change. Which, btw, I keep thinking this over, and I can't help but wonder if Irelia isn't an almost entirely superior Olaf who lanes instead of Jungles. They both build primary tank and rely on amazing in-built damage, both are anticarries, both pretty much don't care about CC, and both further enhance their tanky builds with innate lifegain on attack. The only thing is Irelia just comes in a package with much more, with more healing, a version of heal on hit that is generally better, can stick to targets better, and has hard cc. What, if any, major advantages does Olaf currently have over Irelia? Just the difference between strong CC resistance and outright immunity?
Olaf UP?
... better nerf Irelia.
It's funny because it's actually relevant this time!
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balistafreak
Olaf UP?
... better nerf Irelia.
It's funny because it's actually relevant this time!
I was at least expecting one serious post before that one was broken out. :smalltongue:
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Daverin
You just need to give me a shout whenever I am on. I am sure I am alot closer to your skill level than most of the people on chat. If nothing else, I'm sure I could conjure up lulz to be had in spite of any performance.
Getting really antsy about seeing the patch notes. I really want to see what else Olaf got besides the ult change. Which, btw, I keep thinking this over, and I can't help but wonder if Irelia isn't an almost entirely superior Olaf who lanes instead of Jungles. They both build primary tank and rely on amazing in-built damage, both are anticarries, both pretty much don't care about CC, and both further enhance their tanky builds with innate lifegain on attack. The only thing is Irelia just comes in a package with much more, with more healing, a version of heal on hit that is generally better, can stick to targets better, and has hard cc. What, if any, major advantages does Olaf currently have over Irelia? Just the difference between strong CC resistance and outright immunity?
...judging by how the both of us talk, I'd say yeah XD Ok, whenever I hop onto Mumble, I'll try and find you (your name is the same on GitP, right?)
A la the Olaf... I think his self-enduced speed bonus would be his advantage over Irelia. His anti-CC ult wouldn't be too big of an advantage over her if they were, say, fighting each other 1v1, 'cause since he can't break out of her stun yet, it wouldn't be too helpful. Um, I think the synergy he gets with his life steal speed buff combined with his passive would alone be a very powerful ability on him. If he had say a bloodthirster on top of whatever he was building, Irelia would probably have a much harder time killing him.
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Originally Posted by
Daverin
You just need to give me a shout whenever I am on. I am sure I am alot closer to your skill level than most of the people on chat. If nothing else, I'm sure I could conjure up lulz to be had in spite of any performance.
Getting really antsy about seeing the patch notes. I really want to see what else Olaf got besides the ult change. Which, btw, I keep thinking this over, and I can't help but wonder if Irelia isn't an almost entirely superior Olaf who lanes instead of Jungles. They both build primary tank and rely on amazing in-built damage, both are anticarries, both pretty much don't care about CC, and both further enhance their tanky builds with innate lifegain on attack. The only thing is Irelia just comes in a package with much more, with more healing, a version of heal on hit that is generally better, can stick to targets better, and has hard cc. What, if any, major advantages does Olaf currently have over Irelia? Just the difference between strong CC resistance and outright immunity?
Actually, Trundle is generally a better comparison.
Olaf can jungle. Irelia can't. That's the point where you draw the line and stop comparing them. They fulfill different roles on a team.
As for your question... they both have bad early games, Irelia has a good midgame, and Olaf has an absolutely phenomenal endgame.
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Daverin
Getting really antsy about seeing the patch notes. I really want to see what else Olaf got besides the ult change. Which, btw, I keep thinking this over, and I can't help but wonder if Irelia isn't an almost entirely superior Olaf who lanes instead of Jungles. They both build primary tank and rely on amazing in-built damage, both are anticarries, both pretty much don't care about CC, and both further enhance their tanky builds with innate lifegain on attack. The only thing is Irelia just comes in a package with much more, with more healing, a version of heal on hit that is generally better, can stick to targets better, and has hard cc. What, if any, major advantages does Olaf currently have over Irelia? Just the difference between strong CC resistance and outright immunity?
I think the thing about Olaf is that he will remain viable as long as he remains the fastest jungler in the game. He has a phenomenal clear time and is one of the harder champions to counterjungle because of his passive. He also has Permaslow, which is not to be underestimated. Plus more burst than Irelia.
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Dogmantra
I think the thing about Olaf is that he will remain viable as long as he remains the fastest jungler in the game. He has a phenomenal clear time and is one of the harder champions to counterjungle because of his passive. He also has Permaslow, which is not to be underestimated. Plus more burst than Irelia.
He's faster than Karthus and Phoenix Udyr? I don't recall that.