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God, I'm mad at Wizards.
I was at Barnes and Noble today and I opened up a copy of Wizards presents: Races and Classes. I read through it and it all sounded pretty good. And then I remembered that stupid movie on the website about gnomes becoming monsters. So I found the part about why Gnomes are gonna be monsters, and it turned out that they did it because players 'didn't like the technological element they brought to the game.'
[rant]
So I kinda sorta get it, and then I turned the page... And saw a Warforged. I read the column and it said that 'players tend to like the technological aspect it brought to the game.'
What?
Gnomes were a hugely important race in my world. And they had just unveiled plans too build airships. Huge plot twist, considering that there were only two in the whole world before that moment. All that importance.
Gone. Because most players tended not to like the technological aspect. [/rant]
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while i realize their are already many other threads on the topic, i must agree. My theory is that in WOW gnomes are a comedy relief and as WOW players are one of 4E target audiences, its focus upon everything being "cool" needs to cut gnomes out. They aren't big enough to hang out with the cool kids sadly
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The real answer is they just can't get a particular use for gnomes out of their heads.
But rather than making them taller or putting their mouths on their stomachs, they moved them out of thje spotlight.
Since when are gnomes always techno-geeks, anyways? Since WoW geeks moved to DnD, that's when.
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I thought it was back in 1st ed when Dragonlance came out. Tinker gnomes had so much more personality (for whatever reason) than "regular" gnomes. Then they moved that ingenuity to other campaign settings (the Realms, for example), and it just stuck. Makes sense, after a fashon; their mortal enemies, the kobolds, are master trapsmiths, so it helps to have the average gnome be technically minded.
Nobody I've played with ever played a gnome seriously, and usually dropped him after a short time. I won't miss them, and if I really want to play one, I'll bet I can backwards engineer one from MM 4.0.
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So, which homophobic jerk in your life got onto your GitP account?
On topic, yeah, I was pretty disappointed by that no-gnome decree. I'm probably just going to stick with 3.5 though, and just look through 4 to see if I like it/would incorporate aspects of it.
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EvilElitest
WFT are you talking about?
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As he is a bugbear in the playground, I'd say it isn't just a spam bot. I'd might risk to say that the account might have been hacked.
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Sequinox
So I kinda sorta get it, and then I turned the page... And saw a Warforged. I read the column and it said that 'players tend to like the technological aspect it brought to the game.'
What?
From my brief times on the wizards forums, I got the impression that a lot of people tend to like the big physical bonuses at early levels, and how awesome it made their warblades.
I never heard anybody mention technology.
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Felius
As he is a bugbear in the playground, I'd say it isn't just a spam bot. I'd might risk to say that the account might have been hacked.
Ah, poor man, i won't judge you dude
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Originally Posted by
Sequinox
So I kinda sorta get it, and then I turned the page... And saw a Warforged. I read the column and it said that 'players tend to like the technological aspect it brought to the game.'
What?
Could they just possibly bring different technological aspects to the game? "Gnomes as wacky tinkerers" = lame. Meanwhile, Warforged are interesting and great for exploring all sorts of identity issues (Identity Issues is basically the Eberron Race Theme).
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Rachel Lorelei
Could they just possibly bring different technological aspects to the game? "Gnomes as wacky tinkerers" = lame. Meanwhile, Warforged are interesting and great for exploring all sorts of identity issues (Identity Issues is basically the Eberron Race Theme).
After Gnomes discovered the Theory of Relativity and it was asked if it could be made into a weapon. I'm too scared of gnomes and their "Cold dwomer fusion" to consider them "wacky."
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meh, gnomes will be in the MM, and I can all but promise there will be rules for them as player characters.
I think the idea is that gnomes are quite often used as comic relief (not always, but enough to be relevant) and wizards doesn't want to force comic relief into a game. Apparently they have no problems with angst though, the only race more angsty then tieflings or warforged are drow.
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Hey don't put down the Tieflings! They can't help it. Their ancestors made a pact with the god of rock and roll...
Hell-hound, hot leather on your legs
That smokin powder keg
You're riding on is hell-bound
And you're the one they claim
It's going down in flames
You're riding Hades' rails (Hellion)
Hellion - The devil's Hellion child
Hellion - will never have to die
Well child, you're sweatin' and you're stoned
The alcohol you downed
Makes you crazy-
All night, you damn the hurt the pain
Drink the devils rain
Screaming out your name
Hellion - The devil's Hellion child
Hellion - will never have to die
The Gods you worship are steel
At the altar of rock 'n' roll you kneel
A slave who forever rocks
Is chained in the devil's locks
And slain by the bloody axe I wail
Hellion - The devil's Hellion child
Hellion - will never have to die
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More angsty then half-orcs?
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Crow
Hey don't put down the Tieflings! They can't help it. Their ancestors made a pact with the god of rock and roll...
You are quite obviously mistaken. Those are Aasimar because, as everyone knows, God Gave Rock N' Roll to You.
God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
Put it in the soul of everyone
Do you know what you want? you dont know for sure
You dont feel right, you cant find a cure
And youre gettin less than what youre lookin for
You dont have money or a fancy car
And youre tired of wishin on a falling star
You gotta put your faith in a loud guitar
Chorus:
God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
Gave rock and roll to everyone (oh yeah)
God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
Put it in the soul of everyone
Now listen
If you wanna be a singer, or play guitar
Man, you gotta sweat or you wont get far
Cause its never too late to work nine-to-five
You can take a stand, or you can compromise
You can work real hard or just fantasize
But you dont start livin till you realize - I gotta tell ya!
God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
Gave rock and roll to everyone
God gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to you
Put it in the soul
(instrumental break)
God gave rock and roll to you (to everyone he gave the song to be sung)
Gave rock and roll to you, gave rock and roll to everyone
God gave rock and roll to you (to everyone he gave the song to be sung)
Gave rock and roll to you, saved rock and roll for everyone
Saved rock and roll
Chorus repeats out...
I know life sometimes can get tough! and I know life sometimes can be a drag!
But people, we have been given a gift, we have been given a road
And that roads name is... rock and roll!
Why do you think Aasimar make such good bards?
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This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important. And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
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Don't forget Warlocks, Binders, and Evil Favored Souls.
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Metal Head
This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important. And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
Didn't they dump support for Half Elves/Orcs? And, hm. I need to reread Eberron, sure, but weren't Warforged.. not outcasts?
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Metal Head
This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important. And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
yep that was me
Oh as for Ansty emo people, um my folk, teenagers. We love angsy emo stuff, it helps us drown our pain of trying to come to terms with our massive insecurities and emotional/sexual/social frustrations. As we are easily distracted and have major crushes upon any "no body understands me" sort of characters and "trouble past" Drizzt clones anybody? We are also easily impressed by flashy power and techno mid evil worlds with video game aspects
remember people, we walk a lonely road
and don't you forget it
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Metal Head
This is the problem with 4e. A good portion of the mechanics are done nicely IMO, but the fluff is just absurd. I remember someone (I think it was EE) saying that Races and Classes book said that the world would center around the PCs, and that interactions between NPCs that don't involve PCs shouldn't be important.
The world doesn't center around the PCs, the game does. Because they're playing. Interactions between NPCs obviously don't need to be resolved via mechanics that are as detailed as those involving PCs. You can just decide who wins the offscreen battle, you don't need to roll it out.
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And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
What? Half-orcs are gone from the 4E PHB. Warforged aren't "angst social rejects", and neither are sorcerers. Tieflings are less angsty than they used to be.
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Mark Hall
You are quite obviously mistaken. Those are Aasimar because, as everyone knows, God Gave Rock N' Roll to You.
Well played.
You are of course, correct. It turns out that Tieflings are the Devil's Hellion children.
Websense is preventing me from seeing EE's link...I hope it's not what I think it is...
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Rachel Lorelei
The world doesn't center around the PCs, the game does. Because they're playing. Interactions between NPCs obviously don't need to be resolved via mechanics that are as detailed as those involving PCs. You can just decide who wins the offscreen battle, you don't need to roll it out.
The story should revolve around the PCs, but the PCs shouldn't be innately better than the NPCs, that runs like a video game.
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What? Half-orcs are gone from the 4E PHB. Warforged aren't "angst social rejects", and neither are sorcerers. Tieflings are less angsty than they used to be.
1. Yeah half orcs are gone it seems, but i'm not quite sure
2. Warforge? Are you kidding me?
"I am I machanical constroction, misunderstood and neglected by my masters. now without a purpose, i must walk this lonely road hoping to find accept and my place in life" Granted better handled than some but still
3. Ummmm, you kidding me on the tieflings right? "They are a forsaken people"? Direct quote concerning them? Yeah. they are even discribed as
"Bad boys of D&D" and wear leather for god's sake
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Websense is preventing me from seeing EE's link...I hope it's not what I think it is...
It most likely is, what do you fear?
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Recheck your link, EE. It sends me to the Wikipedia definition of HTTP... that's after I fix it.
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horseboy
Us teens walk a lonely road, the only road that we will ever know if we keep this up
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sorry for the above post it was a friend on(the risk of staying logged in)
But I always liked the Idea of gnome inventors, and mad at them being cut from the players handbook
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Yes, but you're no Half-Orc.
One parent was a victim of rape, the other a horrible monster. Your existance would serve as a constant reminder of the remaining parents rape, and as such they'd despise you. Living on the streets, detested by all...
And what do you get in return? Darkvision and +2 strength. Even Tieflings get cool things for being horrible freaks against nature.
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Actually, I like the idea of gnomes as being crazy inventors. The odd thing, I think, is that their favored race is bard. It doesn't make sense that a bard would be a crazy inventor...unless he was inventing crazy musical instruments.
Anyway, I'm playing a Chaotic Neutral gnome bard in a campaign right now. He's the party's face most of the time, and also seems to hold all the knowledge for the group. He also likes money.
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Mark Hall
Recheck your link, EE. It sends me to the Wikipedia definition of HTTP... that's after I fix it.
Fixed now, sorry
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Metal Head
And it appears that WotC has fallen in love with angsty emo people who are rejected by society. Just look at the absurd amount of social rejects there are. Half elves, half orcs, tieflings, warforged, sorcerers, etc. It's starting to annoy me.
Social rejects like adventurers?
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VeisuItaTyhjyys
Social rejects like adventurers?
No, just no
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VeisuItaTyhjyys
Social rejects like adventurers?
Yes, it's the easy stereotype but at the same time it's perfectly acceptable to have, happy, well adjusted adventurers.
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EvilElitest
The story should revolve around the PCs, but the PCs shouldn't be innately better than the NPCs, that runs like a video game.
The premise of D&D has been that PCs are innately better than NPCs for a long time. For example, in 3.5, PCs receive higher ability scores (28- or 32-point-buy, or 4d6-drop-lowest, instead of 10s or 11s or even the Elite Array), get maximum HP for their first full hit die, and so on. They also gain levels far more quickly than NPCs. And happen to, you know, save the world, or whatever your campaign involves.
I'm also not sure how you're getting "PCs should be innately better than NPCs" from my point about how the game's mechanics don't need to be concerned with NPC-on-NPC offscreen interaction. If you're having someone be assassinated offscreen for plot purposes, do you really roll it out, or do you just have it happen?
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1. Yeah half orcs are gone it seems, but i'm not quite sure
They are.
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2. Warforge? Are you kidding me?
"I am I machanical constroction, misunderstood and neglected by my masters. now without a purpose, i must walk this lonely road hoping to find accept and my place in life" Granted better handled than some but still
What? No, that's you creating an angsty point of view *for* a Warforged. By the same note, I could create an angsty point of view for an elf (I watch all my shorter-lived friends die, woe is me) or any other race.
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3. Ummmm, you kidding me on the tieflings right? "They are a forsaken people"? Direct quote concerning them? Yeah. they are even discribed as
"Bad boys of D&D" and wear leather for god's sake
Sure, they're "the bad boys of D&D". That doesn't automatically translate to angst. What I meant was that they're not actually descended from demons anymore, and non-Warlock Tieflings don't really access the pacts their ancestors made. You can have a Tiefling cleric (say) who doesn't care at all about all that; you couldn't have a 3.5 tiefling that wasn't full of demon blood.
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I'm not so mad about the no half orc thing, though they were my favoritest race to play. I am, however, chafing a bit that no greenskins at all seem to be player races. Full orc would have been cool; so would goblin. Of course, Wizards has long held an anti-greenskin stance, and have long been spreading lies and slander about them.
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I'm not so mad about the no half orc thing, though they were my favoritest race to play. I am, however, chafing a bit that no greenskins at all seem to be player races. Full orc would have been cool; so would goblin. Of course, Wizards has long held an anti-greenskin stance, and have long been spreading lies and slander about them.
So true, goblins should be in the PHB.
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Lord Tataraus
So true, goblins should be in the PHB.
Really, everything of the traditional "humanoid enemy" type has been ignored by wizards except kobolds.
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averagejoe
I'm not so mad about the no half orc thing, though they were my favoritest race to play. I am, however, chafing a bit that no greenskins at all seem to be player races. Full orc would have been cool; so would goblin. Of course, Wizards has long held an anti-greenskin stance, and have long been spreading lies and slander about them.
The lack of greenskins could be seen as proof positive that 4th edition is not trying to become more like World of Warcraft and those orc-lovin' so-and-sos at Blizzard.:smallbiggrin:
But seriously, I see that 4th edition is taking out gnomes and the closest thing 3rd edition has to orcs and yet people are saying that 4th edition is becoming more like WoW because they put Tieflings in the PHB.:smallconfused: Am I the only one that finds this line of reasoning odd?
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Woot Spitum
The lack of greenskins could be seen as proof positive that 4th edition is not trying to become more like World of Warcraft and those orc-lovin' so-and-sos at Blizzard.:smallbiggrin:
But seriously, I see that 4th edition is taking out gnomes and the closest thing 3rd edition has to orcs and yet people are saying that 4th edition is becoming more like WoW because they put Tieflings in the PHB.:smallconfused: Am I the only one that finds this line of reasoning odd?
That would depend on if you rolled alliance or horde I suppose.
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Woot Spitum
But seriously, I see that 4th edition is taking out gnomes and the closest thing 3rd edition has to orcs and yet people are saying that 4th edition is becoming more like WoW because they put Tieflings in the PHB.:smallconfused: Am I the only one that finds this line of reasoning odd?
That's not the only reason, that's one out of one-hundred reasons.
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Woot Spitum
The lack of greenskins could be seen as proof positive that 4th edition is not trying to become more like World of Warcraft and those orc-lovin' so-and-sos at Blizzard.:smallbiggrin:
But seriously, I see that 4th edition is taking out gnomes and the closest thing 3rd edition has to orcs and yet people are saying that 4th edition is becoming more like WoW because they put Tieflings in the PHB.:smallconfused: Am I the only one that finds this line of reasoning odd?
I dunno if it's becoming more WoW, I'm just tired of all the orc hate. They don't need to be noble savages, but that always evil line seriously has to be gotten rid of.
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Jack Zander
That's not the only reason, that's one out of one-hundred reasons.
And, if I may be frank, all those reasons are rot. "Zoh Em Gee, D&D is becoming a morepig" arguments have no basis in fact, and generally aren't even tested for "hey, does this apply to 3E, too?" before they're made.
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Bah. Gnomes have always been comic relief anyway. I'm glad to see them gone. It's one of the few selling points thus far in 4.0.
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And, if I may be frank, all those reasons are rot. "Zoh Em Gee, D&D is becoming a morepig" arguments have no basis in fact, and generally aren't even tested for "hey, does this apply to 3E, too?" before they're made.
Well seeing how so far all we have is fluff, and the fluff follows WoW more than it does 3E, I think that's still a valid assumption.
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And, if I may be frank, all those reasons are rot. "Zoh Em Gee, D&D is becoming a morepig" arguments have no basis in fact, and generally aren't even tested for "hey, does this apply to 3E, too?" before they're made.
Especially since 3rd had it's own MMO and the prior MMO's were based on prior editions of D&D. It has become an art that reflects itself.
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Jack Zander
That's not the only reason, that's one out of one-hundred reasons.
If they're all as well-founded as the "No more half orcs! = WoW!", then your argument as a whole is almost as well founded as the fear that cabbages are secretly evil alien overlords, and that when we eat them, we're merely perpetuating their victory.
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Well seeing how so far all we have is fluff, and the fluff follows WoW more than it does 3E, I think that's still a valid assumption.
Boy Howdy, these people are both drawing from the same really old archetypes! One MUST be copying the other!
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Jack Zander
Well seeing how so far all we have is fluff, and the fluff follows WoW more than it does 3E, I think that's still a valid assumption.
What? No, the fluff doesn't resemble WoW at all. What are you talking about?
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Well seeing how so far all we have is fluff, and the fluff follows WoW more than it does 3E, I think that's still a valid assumption.
Really?
Do tell us more.
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If they're all as well-founded as the "No more half orcs! = WoW!", then your argument as a whole is almost as well founded as the fear that cabbages are secretly evil alien overlords, and that when we eat them, we're merely perpetuating their victory.
I thought that was broccoli.
But no, the ONLY time I see it is the tieflings addition to core. Mainly because when they started the timer during Gencon my first question I asked was "Why is there a draeni there?" Then someone said it was a tiefling. Then I said "Oh, what the Hell is a tiefling?"
Of course I also consider dragon born to be shout outs to t'skrang. But given that I've played Earthdawn and WoW more than I have 3.x that's not that surprising as I'm more familiar with those patterns than I am 3.x's. Given that we always see patterns we are familiar with before we see new patterns (why you thought that stranger was your friend from high school) this really isn't surprising.
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..But Tieflings predate the Draenei!
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..But Tieflings predate the Draenei!
Possibly, but given that I didn't know about tieflings until the announcement of 4th edition, it's up to WotC to explain to me how they're different from an already established pattern. Especially given that they're altering the pattern of the tiefling.
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Possibly, but given that I didn't know about tieflings until the announcement of 4th edition, it's up to WotC to explain to me how they're different from an already established pattern. Especially given that they're altering the pattern of the tiefling.
...
So, because you'd never heard of tieflings (which have been around since 2E at least), it's WotC's job to explain how they totally didn't rip them off of WoW.
Bloody brill.
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horseboy
Possibly, but given that I didn't know about tieflings until the announcement of 4th edition, it's up to WotC to explain to me how they're different from an already established pattern. Especially given that they're altering the pattern of the tiefling.
But your pattern is predicated on a false assumption! You get to cling to these psychological reasons to think this until they're logically disproven!
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Of course I also consider dragon born to be shout outs to t'skrang. But given that I've played Earthdawn and WoW more than I have 3.x that's not that surprising as I'm more familiar with those patterns than I am 3.x's. Given that we always see patterns we are familiar with before we see new patterns (why you thought that stranger was your friend from high school) this really isn't surprising.
Hey, you've played Earthdawn. You know the importance of Patterns. ;-) Why else would I change my use-name except to build my Legend?
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Rachel Lorelei
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So, because you'd never heard of tieflings (which have been around since 2E at least), it's WotC's job to explain how they totally didn't rip them off of WoW.
Bloody brill.
Not quite, it's up to WotC to write them in a manner in which I don't associate them with draenei. After all, this isn't to be written to people who've been playing since 2nd, but to be written for new people who have yet to play the game.
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But your pattern is predicated on a false assumption! You get to cling to these psychological reasons to think this until they're logically disproven!
Such is the workings of the human mind. We'll not be able to know until the PHB comes out.
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So, because you'd never heard of tieflings (which have been around since 2E at least), it's WotC's job to explain how they totally didn't rip them off of WoW.
Bloody brill.
They're from Planescape, originally, meaning they are 2nd edition. 1st edition's closest was the Cambion, which was more on par with the half-fiend.
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Hey, you've played Earthdawn. You know the importance of Patterns. ;-) Why else would I change my use-name except to build my Legend?
Lol! Yeah after you answered that that's what I realized, I wasn't sure if you'd had some weird technical problem that froze your old account or something. :smallwink:
But yeah, ED is the holy shizzile. Step 14 (:smallyuk:)and all.
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Lol! Yeah after you answered that that's what I realized, I wasn't sure if you'd had some weird technical problem that froze your old account or something. :smallwink:
Nope. A deliberate attempt to build my Legend and strengthen my own Pattern with it.
I think you did have a good point about Wizard's audience... they're not needing to write for me (partially because I fully intend to buy the books at Half-Price or something, unless I get involved in a game), who has, by this time, literal decades of RPG experience to draw upon. They're writing for the people they can draw in, while, hopefully, not alienating their old audience. They want to avoid the "These guys are just ripping off World of Warcraft" accusations that will come from FNGs who don't know that tieflings have been around for about 13 years, or that the drow have been scaring the bejeezus out of people in the Underdark for about 29 years.
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Bah. Gnomes have always been comic relief anyway. I'm glad to see them gone. It's one of the few selling points thus far in 4.0.
Glad to see them go? Always the comic releif? Bah, anyone can be comic releif, and the getting rid of the gnomes is one of the things I think is one of WotCs worst decisions regarding 4e! True, gnomes are officialy tricksters who enjoy practical jokes, but that doesn't mean that all of them do! Are all orcs evil murdering bastards? No. Are all rogues theives? No. One of my comic releifiest characters was a warforged with litterally no sense of humour!
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People keep saying that gnomes are gone. They aren't, hey just aren't a PHB race. There are a lot of non-PHB races out there now, in 3.5. Does that mean you can't play as them? Mo. And we have proof that Gnomes are, in fact, still playable: http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20080123
"Here’s what my 11th-level gnome warlock, Dessin, is wearing right now:" - Logan Bonner (emphasis mine)
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