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Goblins XV: Klik Here
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Current informations on Axe Of Prissan wielders:
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Wielders of the Axe of Prissan
Starting with the most recent
Big Ears - Male Goblin Paladin. One of the protagonists of the story and current wielder of the axe.
Saral Caine* - Evil Male Half Stone Giant/Half Human. Ally of Dellyn
Goblinslayer and minor antagonist in the Brassmoon arc.
Dri Featherknife - Female Human Rogue/Paladin. She was killed by Goblinslayer and Saral Caine after uncovering their plot to frame the sherrif of Brassmoon for murder.
Flejj Hillmover - Male Dwarf. He fought Kore twice and survived. His family was not so lucky. He shaved his beard in shame.
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Felsibeth "Soot" Blackbringer - Young Female Human Paladin. Youngest to ever wield the axe.
Kelstride Blackbringer - Male Human Paladin. Soot's Father. Former chimney sweep. Killed by a Kobold stampede.
Drose - Genderless Golem Paladin. Drose passed the Axe to Kelstride Blackbringer to prevent the demon imprisoned within from taking control of his body.
Eled of the East - "Fat, over confident" Paladin. Was given the axe by Myorg.
Mryorg* - Evil Male Ogre. Beat (but did not kill) Vilias Red in combat and took the Axe from her. Used it to cause great suffering before eventually giving it to Elad purely to make the demon contained within suffer after coming so close to freedom.
Vilias Red* - Female Human Rogue. Was friends with Tivoth Fastfoot and took the axe after Tivoth died in battle with the intention of giving it to another Paladin.
Tivoth Fastfoot - Male Paladin. Encountered Vilias Red looting a corpse and assumed she had murdered the man. Once he realized she was innocent, the two became friends and traveled together.
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Kevitch Gritland* - Evil Male... formerly... Human maybe... Fighter/Wizard. Horribly mutated by an evil swamp. Killed Eldrock Cloudcry and claimed the axe as his own.
Eldrock Cloudcry - Known in name only.
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Cal - Male Gnome Paladin. Egotistic gambler. Had a powerful, icy magic effect.
Jelbin Crae - Male Human Paladin. Gave Cal the Axe willingly. Nothing else is known.
*Confirmed non-Paladin
Individual Magic Effects (IME's)
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At one time, I feared this strip ever continuing. Glad to see it "moving" again, albeit glacially.
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Meh, im just glad he isnt trying to force himself to stay on an arbitrary schedule anymore.
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Well, he is getting hundreds of dollars every time he puts a comic up, thanks to Patreon. Really provides some worry-free incentive.
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mainly posting so i know that this thread is here, but yeah. i feel once you have a good motivation (i.e. only getting paid when you post something) you tend to work harder on something :P
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From what I gather, motivation was never his problem. It was perfectionism paired with an unrealistic posting schedule.
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Yeah, for all we know the more he gets paid per page, the more he'll worry that the page has to be perfect because people are paying so much for it.
At any rate, I'm really happy that Goblins is updating again and I'm enjoying it.
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Jeez.
That Patreon is really insane. Did you ever wonder how much Rich B. would get? 5k? 15k? 20k?
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Well, the Reprint Kickstarter netted him a bit over $1.2 million, for a total of 1078 (reprinted) comics including the two prequel books. So that would be roughly $1113 per comic, based on such an utterly unscientific benchmark.
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You said it yourself, but just to clarify: That's money raised to reprint the books and stuff, not cash for his pockets.
Thunt is getting the ~1300$ from the Patreon minus some cut for Patreon themselves (I guess?). Probably still a nice grand in cash, for each comic. Mindblowing. Also neat for him, he's a swell guy
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All hail the new thread. It was about time! :smallsmile:
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raymundo
You said it yourself, but just to clarify: That's money raised to reprint the books and stuff, not cash for his pockets.
Thunt is getting the ~1300$ from the Patreon minus some cut for Patreon themselves (I guess?). Probably still a nice grand in cash, for each comic. Mindblowing. Also neat for him, he's a swell guy
Sure, but absent Rich publishing his sales figures for the reprints, we have no idea how much cash in pocket resulted. So I used the best numbers I have available.
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A more apples-to-apples comparison would be to compare the traffic of goblins and giantitp, and extrapolate based on that.
But...I don't know of any reliable source for traffic information, so: Glyphstone is right that we don't seem to have any good data as a starting point. (Alexa does indicate that giantitp is significantly more popular that goblins, FWLIW.)
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On the other hand, GITP.com is much more than just the comic, it's also the root site for the GITP forums, which are a gigantic discussion site for all manner of topics beyond the comic itself. The Goblins forums are hosted at goblinsforum.com, so they might not be counted in Alexa's rankings at all, in addition to, by the looks of it, being only about Goblins itself plus a general off-topic forum and a section for playing PbP games. With the exception of Board Issues and the relatively new Mad Science subforums, the smallest sub-board of GitP (Other Webcomics, ironically) has almost double the lifetime posts of the entire Goblins forum (249k to 132k), and we have 10 subforums covering basically everything under the sun.
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Though, it's also important to consider that the current Goblins forums go back only two years, while that giantitp forums go back more than a decade. Those two years have been more of a dry spell for goblins than for OotS, too.
Anyway, it's possible to view the higher popularity of the giantitp forums as an indication that the comic is also more popular. But again, the relationship is uncertain.
My general impression is that OotS is the more popular comic, in part because its Kickstarter was such a world-beating success & because I think it lost less readers due to delay-attrition. There were so many specific factors that went into the Kickstarter working out, though, apart from the comic's overall popularity: sensational word-of-mouth; a lot of fans hadn't bought the books already but wanted them; the Giant offered great goodies; the runaway-train of pledges made it fun to join in, etc.
I'm hemming and hawing, because in the end, the data we have is poor, so we're forced to compare unlike things. I certainly wouldn't want to hold up Alexa for any more than it's worth.
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The Glyphstone
Sure, but absent Rich publishing his sales figures for the reprints, we have no idea how much cash in pocket resulted. So I used the best numbers I have available.
I seem to remember Rich mentioning that between the hidden costs and a bunch of other things, it ended up costing him money out of pocket, so "cash in pocket" would be a negative number there.
Either way, the Giant hasn't allowed donations for as long as I remember (asking for the money to be donated to charities instead) so I'm thinking he might not be willing to do a Patreon in the first place anyways.
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Yeah, it's not something he would go for under any circumstances, with his no-donations policy. So we're speculating to no ultimate purpose, but that is half the fun anyways.
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raymundo
You said it yourself, but just to clarify: That's money raised to reprint the books and stuff, not cash for his pockets.
Thunt is getting the ~1300$ from the Patreon minus some cut for Patreon themselves (I guess?). Probably still a nice grand in cash, for each comic. Mindblowing. Also neat for him, he's a swell guy
I seem to remember that Rich actually "lost" money (or rather had to add money from his pocket) with the kickstarter because he underestimated some costs. But since he ended with remaining printed books to be sold, it was all fine.
Rich blew records with his kickstarter, don't know if it would be the same with a patreon. Zach gets almost 9k per month for SMBC which is a daily webcomic. Thunt would have to make 6 pages a month to get the same, I don't think it's going to happen before a while :D
Patreon is kinda weird for non regular comics. If you pay per month, you don't know how many pages you'll have for what you pay and put some pressure on the author that may think you're his patron.
If you pay per page, you don't know how much you'll have to pay during the month and put some pressure on the author who's not sure how you will react to a sudden important amount of new pages (like, imagine the combo of the kickstarter 1-page-a-day-during-9-days and a patreon/page :D)
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Interesting, I didn't really think of Patreon as being donations. Sure, Thunt has the donation drives with Tempts Fate and similair things, but Patreon only charges you if the author actually produces something. Therefore I didn't think the Patreon payments as donations.. just payments for delivered comics.
That is to say, it's probably close enough so Rich wouldn't bother with it.
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I think Patreon is closer to kickstarter (pay for a product, and in the case of pay/page, only pay if the product is delivered) than to a straight-up donation, but it's also not a one-time thing like a kickstarter to reprint books was, it would be a long-term income, and so I can see someone being uncomfortable with that, especially if some people then feel entitled to try and pressure or content or something. I can totally see the Giant just not want to have to deal with any of that.
This being said, if he ever decides to have a Patreon, I'll be very happy to join it.
Going back to Goblins, does anyone think what happened to Forgath fulfilled his prophecy, or is he going to get killed by a dwarf with lots of screaming involved again? I mean he didn't die. I think. Then again maybe he's considered a different person now? What do you guys think?
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Note: even though I am a moderator, I have no inside knowledge on this subject. The following is my personal opinion alone, formed on the basis of Rich's public statements and posts.
I doubt Rich will ever consider a per-month Patreon. That would quite strongly bring in all the issues and reasons why he doesn't accept donations - it would give people a reason to think they are entitled to a frequent update schedule because they think that's what they're paying for.
He might possibly consider a per-update Patreon. That has a much stronger link between each payment and one specific obvious thing the payment is for, which fits the criteria Rich has stated for monetary transactions he's willing to consider. Plus, it has a really obvious refutation for people who pay and then complain about the schedule.
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Silly question, but MinMax right eye was damaged/gouged, right? What's the purple that flows from it?
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Silly question, but MinMax right eye was damaged/gouged, right? What's the purple that flows from it?
It's not flowing from it. It's a scar. He was hit with a sword from his chin up to his eye, leaving a scar leading up to his eye, and that eye blind.
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It's not flowing from it. It's a scar. He was hit with a sword from his chin up to his eye, leaving a scar leading up to his eye, and that eye blind.
close. not a scar, but a reconstruction http://www.goblinscomic.org/08252013-2/
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Ah, yeah, I forgot that part somehow! Which means that now this part of him is indestructible, like Forgath's beard.
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Ah, yeah, I forgot that part somehow! Which means that now this part of him is indestructible, like Forgath's beard.
Yeah but somehow I dont see Minmax trying to stop an attack like this So its way less useful than forgaths beard. Maybe it would help stop an attack that would decapitate him at eye level, but other than that, yeesh.
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Yeah but somehow I dont see Minmax trying to stop an attack like
this So its way less useful than forgaths beard. Maybe it would help stop an attack that would decapitate him at eye level, but other than that, yeesh.
Trying to catch an attack with a specific part of your invincible face does seem like a recipe for disaster. Would make for a neat party trick though.
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MM is blind in that eye still? I must be remembering wrong; I thought Thunt said he could see out of it (raising questions about if that would make his vision 50% monochromatic purple or what).
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In the above-linked page showing MinMax getting his purple eye, he comments that everything looks purple. So, yes.
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he could always see out of the eye, but it was still "damaged" so the IME thing "Fixed" it, so now he continues to see out of it but everything looks purple now.
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My comment was before I was reminded of his eye being fixed. Since it looked all cloudy before, I assumed it was a visual clue of it being blinded. When it was fixed, well obviously it was fixed.
It's possible he could always see through it, although I assume things would have had to be clouded or something in that eye.
Basically I misunderstood the question and gave a wrong answer that can safely be completely ignored.
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So if GAP stumbled across a human settlement and slaughtered it it wouldn't be evil?
By settlement you meant civilian enclave(village ,trading outpost or even small towns ) ,right?
Then yes, that would be Evil. I doubt the Gap would try this , not even Thaco would condone this let alone their paladin.
NOTE: I'm not trying to restart a debate that have long passed their course(in another thread,even) just answering a question specifically directed at me (albeit several months late).
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i'm not sure, but i think Forgath's right hand isn't made of klik stone, it's just that big stone glove he was wearing that boosted his armor. could be wrong though. the kliks might have mistaken it for klik stone.
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Draconi Redfir
i'm not sure, but i think Forgath's right hand isn't made of klik stone, it's just that big stone glove he was wearing that boosted his armor. could be wrong though. the kliks might have mistaken it for klik stone.
I think the same. Forgath had the hammace on his hand when he felt.
Forgath may find the racist axe close from him but not sure if Kore was good enough to throw the "scepter" part of the hammace.
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To be fair, Forgath is a chatty dwarf... :smalltongue:
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Too be more fair, he has a reason to be rambling like crazy right now. He fell to what he thought would be his death, was saved by an armada of flying things saying klik alot, got his armor eaten and half his body replaced by random colors of stuff, and has no clue wtf is going on. Oh yeah, and he is worried about minmax.
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Too be more fair, he has a reason to be rambling like crazy right now. He fell to what he thought would be his death, was saved by an armada of flying things saying klik alot, got his armor eaten and half his body replaced by random colors of stuff, and has no clue wtf is going on. Oh yeah, and he is worried about minmax.
'til we don't arrive at the level of Kin's rambling speeches, he's mentally sane. :smalltongue:
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I enjoyed the bit of levity in this update compared to the normal grimdark that has taken over the comic.
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New characters and a penis joke. Exactly what the comic needs right now.
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New characters and a penis joke. Exactly what the comic needs right now.
More specifically,
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testicle jokes.
But yes, it's a good change.
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Those aren't exactly new characters - those still evidently are the gamers from before (we still don't see the one always playing short characters).
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The jokes weren't nearly as funny as Pale Blonde Girl's reaction. That had me biting my finger to keep from alerting the whole office to the fact that I read Goblins.
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Those aren't exactly new characters - those still evidently are the gamers from before (we still don't see the one always playing short characters).
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I wonder if it means that the one that always playing short characters will be the Warforged character.
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I was wondering too about this being 2/3 of the latest incarnation of the Drow Adventuring Party. Seems plausible, given the stupid conversation they're having in panel one. Have they figured out that the kliks are related to Junior (who killed them all last time)?
Also--if this *is* the DAP, won't their players talk to Forgath's player & establish that? Is it possible they have different DMs now?
The humor fell completely flat for me this time. Balls=balls, and...nothing to make that fresh or character-driven, in my opinion.
Bunny girl! Anybody have a handle on what's going on with her ears/hair? Specifically, the brown furry business coming out the back of her head?
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possible that the "players" have gotten better at sepperating out of character from in-character through either practice or observing the others. still possible they're unrelated entities, but i agree that they do very much remind me of the DAP.
could be thunt decided to remove the whole "players" bit from the story and just have them look/act "in character" as seperate living entities from any game being played, to soon to know for sure. Goblin girl (i'm assuming given the ears) is cute though.
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She looks like a goblin to me from the ears and the tattoos, but I don't know what's going on with her lip. I'm not seeing anything that makes them necessarily the new characters for the DAP, or excludes them from being so other than the small breast size. :smalltongue: They're talking about the game mechanics like F&M did, but NPCs have some knowledge of game mechanics too. I'd say they seem more like PCs, but while it's been years(?) since the readers saw DAP 2.0 get TPKed by Junior, Dies' timeline splitting off so early means it could actually be the same day right now. Just because we haven't seen them in a while doesn't mean this is them when in the story their corpses could still be warm, and it seems like these new characters already have recent history here.
Short version: I'm not sold on them being the DAP, but I'm not saying I have proof they're not either. :smallwink:
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The humor fell completely flat for me this time. Balls=balls, and...nothing to make that fresh or character-driven, in my opinion.
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Didn't help that the comic essentially had its own laugh track. Still, I wish I could get $1400+ for writing that.
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The jokes weren't nearly as funny as Pale Blonde Girl's reaction.
I cannot not sympathize with her... :smallbiggrin:
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I doubt this is the DAP. One of them playing a flat-chested goblin? No way.
I don't see what they would be doing with the Kliks and they would totally break characters and recognize Forgath (they thought Junior was Klik).
I'd like Bowst to be really K'Sellis but there are way more reasons for him not to be :(
Bowst has nice gloves :smallconfused:
The joke didn't worked for me either. Except maybe the last line.
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I can totally see the flat chested goblin girl being the big breasted chick who tripped and fell only to be devoured by Kills Horribly. Why? She knows her tropes and is hoping to avert them from happening again. After all, I cant think of any specific tropes targeting characters that look like that.
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I can totally see the flat chested goblin girl being the big breasted chick who tripped and fell only to be devoured by Kills Horribly. Why? She knows her tropes and is hoping to avert them from happening again. After all, I cant think of any specific tropes targeting characters that look like that.
Eh, but being a tattooed, pipe-smoking, kinda-normal goblin arguing that you can't detect noise with Spot doesn't fit with "wanna see my boobies?", IMO.
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You know, we know that Thunt likes mixed-breeds (see: Saral Caine), so maybe our new female character is a goblin/bunnyperson hybrid. Her face screams bunny to me.
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I can imagine them be the same players, that are actually learning to play from attempt to attempt and aren't quiiiiiiite as lame as at first.
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Tall drow man DID go from being overly dramatic and angsty to more noraml-ish between Drow-guy and Samuri-guy. And they all seemed to have learned how to at the very least make unique characters rather then steal them from existing franchises.
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Tall drow man DID go from being overly dramatic and angsty to more noraml-ish between Drow-guy and Samuri-guy. And they all seemed to have learned how to at the very least make unique characters rather then steal them from existing franchises.
Do you figure that last part from the moment he thinks his ring is a kind of pokeball and calls for Geodude? :smallamused:
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This seems like a weird introduction. Maybe it's the sudden tone/maturity shift?
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It was an interesting update since it explains their unique appearance and choice of clothing as well.
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If Thunt hadn't had a character say rabbit ears, I'd never have recognized them as such.