Pathfinder Grab Bag Competition Chat Thread

Okay, grammar issues and capitalising random words. My eternal foes. I'll get onto that.

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Originally Posted by Troll Brau

Hehe. Harry Dresden?

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Well, kinda, but coming from the opposite direction. And how could I say no to such a cool picture :smallcool:

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Just a small thing, because otherwise the entry is fine, but could you possiblely play up the Horror angle more in the fluff? It sounds kind of Buffyish when the mood is more Hellboy/Lovecraftian.

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Yeah, I thought so a little too. I'll work on that.

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Track? Really? I mean, that's kind of a craptastic entry requirement in all honesty, especially since it's just Railroading in feat form. It's makes sense and all with the class' flavor, but still.

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Well, it makes for an easy Ranger entry. If its that much of a problem, I can change it to something else though?

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What class do you see as being the best entry for this class? The skills it gets read "Skill Monkey" to me but its skill points per level read "Barbarian".

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Ranger. Gets all the Skills, has similar flavor and gets the crappy entry feat for free.

Bow-ties Rangers are cool.

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I see 3 Dead levels. Dead levels are bad. This class is already very simple, straight forward and utilitarian for a non-caster so you could add in more features to make it unique. Maybe some "He who Fights Monsters" vibe?

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Noted. I thought I'd mapped Annul Magic's progression to those dead levels, but the best of plans... Anyway, I'll get to work on fleshing it out.

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I know that Spell Resistance is an Extraordinary special quality, but the rest of Annul Magic reads like it would be Supernatural. How do you envision this class feature functions as Extraordinary?

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PUNCH THE MAGIC!

...Well, for the first progression of Annul Magic, my image is that of a mental struggle to fight off whatever magic is affecting the Seeker. Trapped in a Solid Fog? Willpower your way out of there.

The second progression is an extension of the Spell Resistance. Simply being in the Paranormal Seeker's presence dampens magic, and makes it harder to use. So, if Spell Resistance is a forcefield that protects you against spells, this ability represents that field extending out a little bit.

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For Unnatural Lore, you should probably define what "monsters" encapsulates since Orcs, Drow and Kobolds are in the Bestiary too.

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I don't see what's so bad about giving it bonuses against mundane monsters as well. If you spend your time searching for creatures that have no regard to euclidean geometry, you're bound to pick up some stories about the more mundane.

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I like this Prestige class because it's so simplistic and something that you could see easily applied in any game, especially for people who build anti-casters. It's not overtly strong or unique though, so it makes me wonder if it could be condensed into some kind of Archetype.

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Hmm, okay, that makes sense. I suppose that, as it stands, I could convert this into a Ranger Archtype rather than a Prestige Class. I'll consider doing that, or reworking the flavor to fit the theme a bit better (I have had very little exposure to Gothic Horror, as I've said before, so I'm flying ever so slightly blind at the moment) and beefing it up a bit.

Sorry for my entry taking so long, I've been doing work on huge project recently and it is taking up most of my time. It should be finished relatively soon though.
I'm going to finish all the mechanics ASAP then do the Bloodlines last.

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Originally Posted by Golden Ladybug

Well, kinda, but coming from the opposite direction. And how could I say no to such a cool picture :smallcool:

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Hehe.

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Well, it makes for an easy Ranger entry. If its that much of a problem, I can change it to something else though?

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It's just that the feat is kind of a waste in of itself. I mean, it doesn't exactly do anything since it's the DM's decision if you actually reach the quarry and when.

If no other feat meets your tastes, you could always homebrew one.

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Ranger. Gets all the Skills, has similar flavor and gets the crappy entry feat for free.

Bow-ties Rangers are cool.

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Well, why the lower skill points then?

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PUNCH THE MAGIC!

...Well, for the first progression of Annul Magic, my image is that of a mental struggle to fight off whatever magic is affecting the Seeker. Trapped in a Solid Fog? Willpower your way out of there.

The second progression is an extension of the Spell Resistance. Simply being in the Paranormal Seeker's presence dampens magic, and makes it harder to use. So, if Spell Resistance is a forcefield that protects you against spells, this ability represents that field extending out a little bit.

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Works for me. :smallbiggrin:

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I don't see what's so bad about giving it bonuses against mundane monsters as well. If you spend your time searching for creatures that have no regard to euclidean geometry, you're bound to pick up some stories about the more mundane.

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I meant more that you should define what's a Monster and what isn't for the purpose of the ability.

It's not the case as much for Pathfinder as it was for 3.5, but as V said:

"We are all in the Monster Manual somewhere, are we not? My entry lies between Elemental and Etheral Filcher."

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Hmm, okay, that makes sense. I suppose that, as it stands, I could convert this into a Ranger Archtype rather than a Prestige Class. I'll consider doing that, or reworking the flavor to fit the theme a bit better (I have had very little exposure to Gothic Horror, as I've said before, so I'm flying ever so slightly blind at the moment) and beefing it up a bit.

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You just need to beef it up is all. ^_^

And it's alright, take your time and learn all you can!

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Originally Posted by Milo v3

Sorry for my entry taking so long, I've been doing work on huge project recently and it is taking up most of my time. It should be finished relatively soon though.
I'm going to finish all the mechanics ASAP then do the Bloodlines last.

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It's fine, take your time. Real world junk is more important.

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Originally Posted by Troll Brau

It's fine, take your time. Real world junk is more important.

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I actually ment this project. Which is why I'm saying sorry.

I've finished the class. I still have to do 11 of the Bloodlines though, but I would appreciate any comments about the class in general.

Sorry guys for being AWOL. I'll try to get in a rundown tonight or tomorrow, I've just started a massive project of creating my own game system. :smallredface:

I'm curious if a mad/super science competition would ever be conceived through this, I'd post an entry if I could since this is the first time I've seen this going on and seems I've arrived to late.:nale:

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Originally Posted by Warpwolf16

I'm curious if a mad/super science competition would ever be conceived through this, I'd post an entry if I could since this is the first time I've seen this going on and seems I've arrived to late.:nale:

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You have 5 days left till the end of this competition. =O

And I'll tuck away that idea for another comp. :smallwink:

Alright, time for another rundown on the Sanguine Inquisitor!


Fluff

• It should be "man a king or a boy a mage". As it is right only sounds right to me if there were more things to be listed.
• I think you meant "sees" not "see's".

Alignment

• I think you meant "descend" not "decend".

Blood Mark

• There probably should be parentheses around "without the Elemental subtype".

Blood Never Lies

• I think you meant "Detect Thoughts on a single creature" not "Detect Thoughts single creature".
• But would be more appropriate than and for "they believe".

Smite Heretic

• You have some copy/paste errors in there. You mix up your gender pronouns and didn't replace all instance of paladin.

Bloodline Transfusion

• I think you meant "fulfills" not "fulfil".
• I would suggest wording it as "Select one ability from that specific Bloodline which you have access to" or something similar.

Whispers in the Dark

• I think you meant "ninth" not "nineth".

Sanguine Wine

• There probably should be parentheses around "without the Elemental subtype".

Empowered Bloodline

• I think you meant "thirteenth" not "thriteenth".

Sanguine Rupture

• I think you meant "the damage that the Sanguine" instead of "the damage Sanguine".

Noble Blood

• I think you meant "can manipulate" not "he can manipulate".

Elixir of Life

• I think you meant "can create" not "he can create".

Sanguine Proclamation

• I think you meant "can manipulate" not "he can manipulate".

That's it for the grammar portion for now. This is a big class with a lot of stuff and I don't want to try and tackle all of it at once. So the Bloodlines and other bits can wait till later.

• First thing I'd like to know is, why a good deity? What limits this class from drawing power from neutral or evil deities? And even if they stick to the code, if the god is granting direct power, why not just rip the power from them as the deity should for a fallen disciple?
• Why is a front-line fighter saddled with a d6 hit dice?
• You need to be more specific with what a "Blood Mark" is. I can assume you mean that when something is cast or done for a creature with a Blood Mark for, that the ability is targeting them and not creatures of that type or something else.
• Why does this class so heavily concentrate on Charisma? When I think of blood based classes, I think of Constitution being the focused score. I'd probably split between the two scores, with the physical end being Con based (like Blood points and such and the mystic end being Charisma.
• Two words: Feature Glut. Before even looking at Bloodlines, this class gets 24 separate class features. I would suggest taking all those class features that mimic spells and just combining them into one single class feature. Dead levels on a table is fine as long as they aren't actual dead levels.
• The spell mimicking class features are kind of weird. You give them a much higher Caster level but then give them wildly fluctuating saves (some are too high, some are too low, some are just right, etc.).
• Sanguine Paladin could use some umpf. The cost reduction is the only thing there that really feels like a capstone ability. 20 extra hit points is the equivalent of the Toughness feat and immunity to death from massive damage is...meh. You need to make this more worth it.
• Now, I hate to say this since you did put a lot of work into them, but I feel like the Bloodlines are superfluous. They feel tacked on to the concept of the class and from the cursory glances may just knock this class to being more powerful than it feels like it should be. I really liked the whole blood manipulation angle and vampire control and all that, but the megamaning that comes from the Bloodlines is kind of a turn off for me, especially since it makes this class feel like two viable class concepts mashed together.

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Originally Posted by Troll Brau

That's it for the grammar portion for now. This is a big class with a lot of stuff and I don't want to try and tackle all of it at once. So the Bloodlines and other bits can wait till later.

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Sounds more manageable.

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• First thing I'd like to know is, why a good deity? What limits this class from drawing power from neutral or evil deities? And even if they stick to the code, if the god is granting direct power, why not just rip the power from them as the deity should for a fallen disciple?

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• I like the idea that the gods allow it to do evil as they are defeating evil. The ends justify the means effectively.
  
  
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• Why is a front-line fighter saddled with a d6 hit dice?

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