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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
I wouldn't trust you not to screw things up even if I were in a network and I didn't think you're a wolf Tanar :smalltongue:
Edit: And that last post is why I wouldn't trust you with any network. You need to learn not to give the wolves free information. It is nice to see that Sprig did have enough sense not to trust me at all.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
((EDIT: ...I should get some sleep. I'm getting meaner.))
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
I left dinner in the oooooooveeeeeeeen.....
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
Yeah, I totally don't believe the claim of Captain + not in the network. And there's still no information on why we're supposed to be afraid of IF without him being a wolf. Whatever threat Sprig felt was there to him (and it sounds like it was specifically him?) is kinda irrelevant since Sprig is already dead unless you can provide some reason it isn't. Also according to those PMs (assuming they all really happened and weren't in any way altered, which is a big assumption at this point) it sounds like Sprig never actually scried you. So... basically all you have going is that you're claiming Captain along with a bunch of really suspicious stuff.
To me it just seems like Tanar is a wolf that wants to get IF killed for some reason. Which makes sense since IF just claimed he knows people in the network. (Which I guess would mean he's part of the network? Or something? Odd language there. I'd wonder why he even said it, but if my assumption there is correct I guess there's no harm in it if the wolves already assume he's part of the network.) I would suggest the real Captain doesn't counter claim as the wolves are probably trying to get as much out of this day as they can.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
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Originally Posted by
Ramsus
Yeah, I totally don't believe the claim of Captain + not in the network. And there's still no information on why we're supposed to be afraid of IF without him being a wolf. Whatever threat Sprig felt was there to him (and it sounds like it was specifically him?) is kinda irrelevant since Sprig is already dead unless you can provide some reason it isn't.
Where'd you get that idea? He didn't say IF was a threat to him specifically. In fact, there would be no reason to want IF taken care of after Sprig is dead if that where the case, yet Sprig told me to give that message after he dies.
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Also according to those PMs (assuming they all really happened and weren't in any way altered, which is a big assumption at this point) it sounds like Sprig never actually scried you. So... basically all you have going is that you're claiming Captain along with a bunch of really suspicious stuff.
To me it just seems like Tanar is a wolf that wants to get IF killed for some reason. Which makes sense since IF just claimed he knows people in the network. (Which I guess would mean he's part of the network? Or something? Odd language there. I'd wonder why he even said it, but if my assumption there is correct I guess there's no harm in it if the wolves already assume he's part of the network.) I would suggest the real Captain doesn't counter claim as the wolves are probably trying to get as much out of this day as they can.
Say what? When did IF say that?
I have more to respond to but I really need to get to sleep now.
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Oh, my bad, I misread the last quote and thought FC turning rouge comment was about IF. Which would have implied IF could choose the target of whatever the ability is and I assumed Sprig had reason to fear IF would target him. (Which seemed reasonable since iirc Sprig had been pointing at IF earlier and generally kinda acting in a suspicious manner (which is still true, we just know why now... although maybe that's just Sprig's playstyle as I never heard a single of Sprig's scries unless I'm just forgetting.) Although now that I've said that.... that being the case would make those PMs make a lot more sense than "we need to kill this town/neutral guy because his role is inherently a threat to town and not wolves". Still can't know for sure unless IF ever says whatever his ability is. Assuming of course you're not just making this up. (And I personally don't care if FC says any/all of those PMs happened, FC lies somewhere between 110% - 19002% of the time. :smalltongue:)
As for the second part, I can't really quote since he went and edited the post. Although he didn't PM me to edit mine too so I don't know why he bothered aside from just trying to be less snippy.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
Noone should ever trust me. It just all comes down to which side blinks first and decide the risk of me been alive outweighs the risk they're potentially wasting actions on someone who doesn't really hurt their win con.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
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Originally Posted by
Fleeing Coward
Hey there's no point hiding it since the drone's useless now.
The network probably knows it since there's no way Haruki wouldn't have told the network what he knew about me and the wolves hijacked it last night so clearly they found out somehow. Might as well let all those bored unconnected people in on the worst kept secret :smalltongue:
So you're saying the traitors can hijack drones? That's a rather nasty ability to pop up. Of course it's also a nice defense against any allegations that you did them a one-off favour like you did Sprig.
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Originally Posted by
Deathslayer7
So I think there is a problem with this message. It is only Day 6. :smallamused:
What do you mean? The way I read it, he was supposed to post it on the day after Sprig died, which was day 5. So he should have posted it yesterday but didn't and instead contacted Haruki. Assuming it's true, the entire thing seems to be designed as some way of strongarming FC into doing something that Sprig wanted him to do.
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Tanar Aerdoth
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Quick message, while i would normally think i am protected for a while. there are to many strange abilities in this game. that my death might actually be possible.
Therefore, if the traitors do manage to find a way to kill me tonight, I need you to do something for me.
You should state in thread tomorrow "that unless Internet flea dies night 6, the vig should take out Fleeing coward on day 7."
You shouldn't state the reason but why this is the case is because IF has an ability that we do not want to activate if he is lynched. Fleeing coward has an ability that can negate that.
Sprig sent me this last night. Should I announce this myself, or do you want to announce that? Or something else?
Hold that thought for a little while. I think sprig was trying to coerce FC into getting rid of IF for us.
I can't do anything with this. FC made it very clear that if I do anything to damage him he CAN turn rogue. I prefer him neutral.
I find it hard to wrap my head around what Sprig was supposedly doing here. As Haruki notes, it's pretty clear that Sprig is trying to force FC to take action against Internet Flea. But I don't get how it would have worked. How was IF going to die on night 6? From the above, it sounds to me like FC was supposed to play a central role in IFs (safe) death. The death was to occurr at night to negate an ability that IF has which (only?) triggers on a lynch. But then why would FC have to silence / void IF at all? And why did the silence / void happen during the day, yesterday?
Even if we were to disregard all this, there would have to be someone else involved who actually killed IF at night - unless we are to believe that FC also has to ability to nightkill directly in addition to silencing / voiding?
Also, why didn't Haruki seem to know of this plan? In the PM you quoted, they say that they think that's what Sprig was doing, but Sprig was obviously "in" on Haruki's resurrection. Yet Haruki didn't know about a rather complicated plan to dispose of IF?
I find this confusing and nonsensical. It's rather convenient for you to post these PMs a day late when you're drawing votes and after anyone who could have corroborated them is dead. This looks like a deflection to me, and so does your claim.
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Originally Posted by
Internet Flea
((EDIT: ...I should get some sleep. I'm getting meaner.))
Seeing how you and FC are the only players linked to the PMs that Tanar posted and FC has been a lot more forthcoming with his answers than you, would you care to adress the allegation that you have an ability that is dangerous to the village? After you're done sleeping of course :smallamused:
While I find Tanar highly suspicious, it's the start of the day and I want to get some more answers from him and IF. For now I'll second Shadow's vote and put more pressure on otakuryoga because they are clearly way too silent.
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I'm saying that not only did the traitors appear to have hijacked my drone, they somehow knew I had one. The only person that knew I had a drone as far as I'm aware of was Haruki so I'm saying the network may potentially be compromised if Haruki shared the information with what he thought was a safe network.
I might as well share my PMs with Sprig regarding the IF situation:
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There is a high likelyhood that there are items that can be used specifically during the day.
Also, the wolves would love the first ability I gained right about now :smalltongue:
Yeah?
Everyone is teasing me today :P
Yeah, I mean Haruki would be dead by morning if they had access to my ability.
Check out this for some logic. IF doesn't know, but i know what his hunch is. It's something that not even i would make. Seriously he suspects Penguin is the Holograph guy....
Could always be some one time scry item or something that makes him think so.
Wanna kill Internet flea for me tonight?
Ain't a kill, just a complete silence/void ability where I get to pick if it comes into affect during day or night. I'm assuming Haruki protected himself which is why I said I could help the wolf with that :p
That works even better. Since it's his ability I want to overcome.
But either way, do it or don't - secretly do it or don't.
I'll leave it to you and semi protect your neutrality.
Oh nice threat to Haruki by the way... you leave that poor guy alone!
The other half of the conversation when I asked him if he wanted a day silence or night void:
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Daytime.
Now I don't get it. I don't see any ability remaining on either side that's particularly useful during the day now that the one time kill redirect has been used.
No public ability. I think if the wolf team can't gain some extra powers then they are going to be underpowered overall.
If internet fleas is wolf I don't want his claimed ability to trigger.
Done, IF won't be able to post, use powers or items tomorrow during the day cause I'm getting bored and I want to see what you can do. Just don't expect me to help you out every day.
Whoops I was dead.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
If Tanar is lieing, will the real captain send me a PM. If not, we need to find a new target.
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Ok. I just received new information (not regarding Tanar).
I'm willing to risk my life that at least 2 out of these 5 people are wolves. I have my reasons, but I am going to withhold sharing them for now. I suggest looking over at Day 2 again and using your critical thinking skills (that I know everyone has). Starts on page 4 of this thread.
Aspi
Ramsus
Internet Flea
Sange
Rain Dragon
Aspi
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
Those are all people living who voted for AsteronIronHoof on Day 2. It would be convenient if the wolves used the camo to make themselves look good with a wagon people would likely join and hopefully lynch with.
I don't particularly have reason to disbelieve Tanar's role claim currently. Aspi has not struck me as anti-town in his posts thus far, honestly.
I'll vote for Otakuryoga as well, though it gives us next to no information as I believe there is only one post by otakuryoga so far. The other votes are all single votes and I'm wary of the 25% lynch rule. I can change my vote later if needed.
In fact, I have a list in my notes of people who haven't posted a whole lot. Sange, Wolfbane, Otakuryoga. Also of note, Mrs McGinty seems to be voting randomly every day off wagons, so there's another player with little data to work with.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
Since you hit the nail on the head. The lynch result of Asteron is false. Of that I am sure. So I'm looking at you five since you are the ones who pushed that wagon.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
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Originally Posted by
Tanar Aerdoth
Where'd you get that idea? He didn't say IF was a threat to him specifically. In fact, there would be no reason to want IF taken care of after Sprig is dead if that where the case, yet Sprig told me to give that message after he dies.
Sounds like Sprig didn't trust FC, and figured if he died it was probably because the chicken betrayed him. Seeing how Haruki died again in the night I think it's likely he was right.
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Tanar Aerdoth
Say what? When did IF say that?
Pointless snippiness since edited out, don't worry about it.
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Deathslayer7
Since you hit the nail on the head. The lynch result of Asteron is false. Of that I am sure. So I'm looking at you five since you are the ones who pushed that wagon.
...how are you sure today? That seems like a thing we should have known days ago if someone could learn it.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
because last night i got a drone that let me check the role of 1 dead person. And I checked AsteronIronHoof.
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Didn't Asteron get lynched day 1 or 2? I don't recall pushing any wagons that early. I think my actions have been pretty pro-town so far unless you were expecting me to know things I couldn't possibly know. Maybe we should look at the quiet people who don't seem to have any opinions at all and aren't helping town. Well I mean after super suspicious people like Tanar who I'm pretty dang sure is a wolf at this point. (Like 80% sure. Personally I wish we had someone more trustworthy for the Captain to claim to than Deathslayer who I'm still kinda suspicious of, though less than I was at the start of this day.)
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
McGinty picks himself up from the floor, where he has been lying unconscious since his disagreement with the wall. With a strange look on his face, he glances around the room at his remaining crew mates, before disappearing off into a video suite to review the events that have occurred since his unfortunate accident...
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
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Originally Posted by
Ramsus
Didn't Asteron get lynched day 1 or 2? I don't recall pushing any wagons that early. I think my actions have been pretty pro-town so far unless you were expecting me to know things I couldn't possibly know. Maybe we should look at the quiet people who don't seem to have any opinions at all and aren't helping town. Well I mean after super suspicious people like Tanar who I'm pretty dang sure is a wolf at this point. (Like 80% sure. Personally I wish we had someone more trustworthy for the Captain to claim to than Deathslayer who I'm still kinda suspicious of, though less than I was at the start of this day.)
You were the second one on the wagon. which merely makes you look more guilty considering this post. I have you 100% wolf now. ota is a mis-lynch here. We don't know anything about ota, but right here we have 100% proof that aspi and ramsus pushed the Asteronironhoof bandwagon just to make themselves look good.
If that isn't enough evidence for you, then town deserves to lose this game.
Come on people.
Ramsus
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*sigh* Why do I even try? One game I wish there wouldn't be a wagon on me just because I happen to be trying to contribute. It'd be some consolation if I knew after I turn up crew that people would go lynch Tanar, but there will probably wind up being another excuse to totally ignore how suspicious he is and go lynch more crew instead.
Seriously Deathslayer, what do you want people to do on the early days? Refuse to put more than one vote on anyone?
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Both you and aspi started the bandwagon on Asteron. I can only assume the wolves started it to make themselves look innocent. I am assuming here, but I don't think they realized at the time that there were drones that could search dead bodies.
The wolves have played a very good game so far. Make themselves look perfect while lynching other people that aren't themselves.
You are still sowing distrust and discord. That's why you got my vote.
Give me a better reason not to vote for you.
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You should want that I sow blind trust and harmony? Ok let's break the game wide open and ask the traitors for terms and try and negotiate a compromise! (Note: I would actually take this option if it was on the table. Have you seen the death narrations for either side's kills? My character does not want to go out like that. Even if I have kinda forgotten to RP him for a bit.)
Seriously what? This is werewolf, I'm not suppose to trust people for absolutely no reason, especially if they're saying things that make them sound really wolfish to me.
I'm not saying nobody on that wagon was a wolf, then again it was early game and I've seen wolves manage similar things without a single wolf on the wagon. But I don't see why I'm certainly the supposed wolf there. Yes, I've advised town not to trust people who in any other game it would have been suicidal to trust. I couldn't possibly know what's going on behind the scenes with Haruki and such, so I'm not sure how my advice wasn't the most pro-town thing I could have said. The only evidence I've got to defend myself is what I've said publicly which has all been pretty dang pro-town stuff any way I can imagine looking at it. Especially when there's a bunch of people avoiding attention and not saying anything at all and I already know how much people love to conduct witch hunts on me just for daring to bother to contribute. On the other hand the only reason you have for me being "clearly" a wolf was that I was on an early game wagon on what turned out to be a crew member. Like there haven't been other crew members who got lynched without me on their wagon. I get you're looking for anyone else aside from Tanar to lynch because you're just offhanded believing his claim (though I don't know why), but misleading town into thinking I'm a sure thing is in no way actually pro-town.
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I'm not looking behind the scenes. I'm looking purely at day 2.
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I'm inclined to trust deathslayer right now. But, I'm not sold on Ramsus. Why them out of the others on the wagon? Also, I want to here what Count Dingdong has to say first.
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Im ok with Aspi if you prefer. One of those two though.
And its more because they started the wagon.
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Aspi and Ramsus are okay lynch targets, but I'd much rather deal with Fleeing Coward today. I don't see why we should assume he's not a wolf.
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We have 100% proof that AsteronIronhoof is a crew member. And most likely the bandwagon was lead by the wolves, and you still want to go for FC?
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
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Deathslayer7
We have 100% proof that AsteronIronhoof is a crew member. And most likely the bandwagon was lead by the wolves, and you still want to go for FC?
We have 100% proof that FC Silenced me and his power Voided Haruki. Then when the Day starts he says that it was his power, but it wasn't him and his power's all gone now, neither of which we have reason to believe. Yes, I want to kill him. I would much rather kill a wolf Silencer than anything else in the game.
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Deathslayer7
Both you and aspi started the bandwagon on Asteron. I can only assume the wolves started it to make themselves look innocent.
Firedaemon started the Asteron wagon on day 2, and they were confirmed crew. I was second on it, Ramsus was third. The lynch limit at that point was 6 and at the end of the day the wagon barely reached that number. That does not look like a bunch of traitors piling on a wagon to look good to me. It's exactly what you called for yourself on the phantom wagon on day 1 and I had to stay on the Asteron wagon because we would have gotten no lynch otherwise.
I don't see how you can jump from that to the conclusion that there's a 100% chance of any particular player on that wagon being a traitor. I did the same thing then that I'm doing with otakuryoga right now: put on a pressure votes to try and get them to say something so there's actually a chance of finding traitors in the end game instead of 5 quiet players being left with no information at all. That doesn't mean I have any intention of lynching them today. Given the lack of voting in this game there is of course the possibility that it turns out that way because I can't recind my vote but it's apparently the only way to get anything done. Go back through the thread and check what Sprig did. He put a single pressure vote on silent players every day - and it did exactly nothing. You need some kind of threat to get people to talk and that requires more than a single vote.
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Originally Posted by
Deathslayer7
You are still sowing distrust and discord. That's why you got my vote.
To be honest, the person whose posts are most chaotic right now is you. The only thing you are accomplishing by your call to stop "lynching" ota is preventing us from getting anything out of him at all. You jump between Ramsus and myself and you completely shut down the Tanar wagon that you started yourself - and he is already using this to conveniently forget that he promised us more answers after he slept.
However, if what you are saying is true, then that is a possibly vital piece of information. But what you're doing right now is counter-productive. You put out a list of 5 people and effectively call for their lynch in your usual right now people!-attitude since you have a feeling that at least two of them have to be traitors. But note that you cannot know that for sure, you are just certain of it because it makes a lot of sense to you. And I'm not saying that it's completely implausible, I just know that it's false on at least one account because I would have noticed by now if I was a traitor.
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Deathslayer7
I'm not looking behind the scenes. I'm looking purely at day 2.
Effectively ignoring a majority of the information we obtained so far is helpful how?
We can't just kill everyone on that list. If the disguise ability is indeed being used offensively by the traitors instead of defensively and Asteron was crew, then there is a good chance that we haven't killed a single traitor yet. Consider what's going to happen if we start simply lynching off people from that list. That takes 5 days, which means we'll be down to 6 players after that. So even if there is indeed 2 traitors on your list, that's possibly 2 or more remaining traitors among 6 players, one of which claimed to be neutral. Not exactly good chances.
Since this could pretty much screw up the game for us if we don't do it right, I'd like more to go on than your feeling of certainty and an analysis that is limited to day 2.
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Re: The Wolf Game - Stranded in space - Day Six
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Originally Posted by
Internet Flea
We have 100% proof that FC Silenced me and his power Voided Haruki. Then when the Day starts he says that it was his power, but it wasn't him and his power's all gone now, neither of which we have reason to believe. Yes, I want to kill him. I would much rather kill a wolf Silencer than anything else in the game.
And Sprig's original request was for me to kill you and it was at his request that I silenced you. I told Haruki as much but dropped it since he didn't want to follow up on it.
Since you're suddenly desperate to bring it up, if Sprig didn't trust me, what does it say about his trust of you that he'd ask me to kill you and then to silence you when I told him it wasn't a kill ability?
Also drone does not equal power which is why it got hijacked.
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aspi
- and he is already using this to conveniently forget that he promised us more answers after he slept.
Oh, right. I realized when I came back to the thread that there was really only one comment that I hadn't responded to that I had something to say about, but what I had to say wasn't really that helpful or relevant.
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Fleeing Coward
And Sprig's original request was for me to kill you and it was at his request that I silenced you. I told Haruki as much but dropped it since he didn't want to follow up on it.
Since you're suddenly desperate to bring it up, if Sprig didn't trust me, what does it say about his trust of you that he'd ask me to kill you and then to silence you when I told him it wasn't a kill ability?
Also drone does not equal power which is why it got hijacked.
About the same place mine was for him before he turned up Psyker. I'm going to assume it was because he thought his plan was a lot clearer than it actually was. That gave the wolves a wonderful opportunity to kill one of the most talkative players and Silence the second-most. But then Haruki comes back to life, now the Network knows you've got a void and there's no more deniability unless you invent it out of whole cloth.
No reason to believe it got hijacked, no reason to believe it doesn't work anymore.
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In fact, your conversation with Sprig explains why the wolves still used their lynch on Haruki despite apparently being able to use your void ability; if they had then Sprig would have pushed for you in the morning for not Silencing me.