Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
"Inflationary?" Did all the monsters get +2 Con or AC or saving throws when I wasn't looking? Were the DCs for every ability check raised on the sly? Did the bonus spells/PP calculation get altered somehow? So why does the net +2 for all the PC races suddenly not matter?

Your argument is waffling back and for- well, a more accurate description might be that it's drunkenly weaving all over the road. "The stat boost doesn't matter, because humans get it too and a feat!" Yeah, but they don't get darkvision or ferocity or orc-blooded or weapon familiarity or any of the things they can replace those features with. Those things might not matter to you and that's great, but you're instead trying to pretend they don't exist entirely simply because they hurt your argument.

"A 1d4 bite is crappy!" So is a 1d4 slam, yet I see a ton of people taking Warforged just to get it, for whichever PrC or feat or what have you that needs a natural attack. Plus, you know, you might not have your weapons all the time or you might want that second attack before level 6 or you might need bludgeoning damage when all you have is a greatsword etc.

"Everyone has +2 so it's meaningless!" Yet in 3.5, they didn't. Compare apples to apples, not to volkswagens. The within-system comparison is meaningless when you're trying to compare one system to another instead.
Most of the monsters were beefed up, and all of the NPCs were, and combat manuevers were changed so much as to not be really comparable. If you claim that the half-orc is a viable paladin REGARDLESS of how much better the human is (and that's the only way I can see to read your claims) then that's no different from 3.5 so no improvement there. If you are not looking at the alternatives then the half orc can be a paladin in either system.

You have offered NOTHING that makes a half orc a better choice for a paladin as compared to a human in PF that did not exist in 3.5. Not one item or fact. Strength is more important to a paladin than charisma so +2 Str for -2 to Cha was a good trade in 3.5, and PF doesn't offer that trade. Instead both the human and the half-orc get the exact same racial mods, so that CAN'T be a reason to take half-orc, and nothing else you have mentioned is anything they don't get in 3.5 where you ADMIT they were a bad choice.

Additionally the human gets nifty favored class bonueses and still gets a free feat and skills.

Hence half orcs are a worse choice in PF than in 3.5. Because choices are ALWAYS about alternatives. If the alternatives have improved more than half orc then half orc is now WORSE as a choice, even if the half-orcs numbers are higher.

DougL