Reward eh?


Well lets start off with Syndrome being a government consultant.

He wasn't. While he may have sold weapons to the government there is no evidence that he is in anyway supported by them. In fact there is evidence to the contrary as they shut him down as soon as he does something illegal.

The old superheroes on the other hand were. They were funded by the government, protected by them, and when they were sued, the government payed the cost.

If Syndrome was working for the government he would know where Elastigirl was instead of it being unknown.

Dying in battle being dignified is debatable but definatly not universal. Mr. Incredible didn't want to fight, he wanted to help people. The same attitude likely exists in many of the other heroes. In a way dying when you think you are helping protect the world when you aren't is a cruel lie.

As for the families well, Mr. Incredible didn't get paid until he defeated the first death bot. For those who failed initially, to their families they just disappeared.

The government not warning the supers points to one of two things. One they respected the privacy of the superheroes and only intervened when requested or needed. Two they didn't care/liked the supers dying. Either way it doesn't legitimize Syndrome's actions.

I think I covered why killing the supers was wrong but lets go over in more detail

Psycwave: He was a hero. He already has this power and didn't abuse it. Killing someone for the potential to cause harm is wrong and paranoid.

Everseer: Well that depends on the government's involvement. If the government is ordering the murder of it's civilians then Everseer is a threat. Otherwise Everseer would likely warn the other supers. He's a big threat to Syndrome but not to the government.

Macroburst: You have no evidence of Everseer believing in consipricy theories. Even if you did that doesn't mean Macroburst believes them as well. Even if Macroburst did that doesn't mean believing in conspiracy theories is worth a death sentence. If he/she was in contact with Everseer that would be a threat to Syndrome. Not to the government or world at large.

Phylange: Being bitter doesn't mean you should die. Saying he's bitter is an assumption in of itself

Blazestone: Costly isn't a justification for murder. If you killed your child/grandparent because you couldn't afford to take care of them you would go to jail, and be considered a monster by nearly everyone.

Downburst: Blazestone likely became good because of Downburst. Considering how much it seems that he wants to help it's severely unlikely that the reverse would happen instead.

Hypershock: Good point, but the same point can be said to owning any sort of weapon. Until they actually break the law no action can be taken against them. Outright murdering them is wrong.


Blitzerman, Tradewind, Vectress: Seriously what? They were murdered so thus they were evil? That is not an argument at all. That's just insane. Or if you meant the details weren't provided thus they were evil, well that still wrong. It just means the details weren't provided.

Stormicide: It's a truth of this world that we all eventually lose someone. Nearly everyone is capable of handling that loss without becoming bitter towards the world. Assuming that she would become bitter due to this is a horrible assumption. Killing her under that assumption is evil.

Gazerbeam: Wanted to do what Syndrome and Mr. Incredible wanted anyways. Furthermore he was doing so in a legal manner. Really it seems you want to paint the entire government as the villains of the movie instead of just Syndrome. He was a threat to Syndrome which is likely why he managed to warn Mr. Incredible post-humorously

Gamma Jack: Finally a legitimate threat to normal humans. Still while he warranted watching, (which he wasn't being) killing him outright is wrong until he actually crosses the line.

Mr. Incredible: He spent his free time saving people from burning buildings. Perhaps the government should have given him a job doing something productive and useful instead of hiding him in literally the worst possible position he would be more mentally balanced in the first place.

Frozone was in the records and Elastigirl was known to be with Mr. Incredible by the government. You've only proven that Syndrome's murderous spree was not being supported by the government.

Being a weapon designer/dealer is not wrong in of itself no. Fair enough

Torture is always wrong. Jack is an extremist who is willing to take any step in order to protect people. Even he thinks it's wrong, just justified.

There is a difference between illegal and wrong. In fact possessing those missiles at all was likely illegal in the first place. Depends on which country the island is part of. Plus it was a civilian plane without any weapons. Murdering innocents is always wrong no matter what the circumstance.

Not really evil but definatly showing how little he values human lives. He flat out claims that mercy is a weakness. If he had great wisdom he would have made a show of saying that Mirage wasn't in any real danger so she wouldn't feel betrayed. Or taken her aside afterwards and asked if she was alright.

Good in the long run is not a good argument for a kidnapping. At all. And it likely isn't true anyways. If Syndrome had succeeded Jack-Jack likely would have been killed when he exhibited his powers. If not killed he would have been raised with an inferiority complex thinking that he was a freak. For that matter all families are dysfunctional to a degree. At the end of the movie we see the Incredibles becoming better people by overcoming their issues.

Those are all government positions. It's implied that the government actually places the heroes in different jobs and thus chose the position of insurance salesman. Furthermore those positions are public and would reveal Mr. Incredible to the world. Really just brings him back to where he was before the ban which the government did not want.

Yes famous people can overcome disorders to do great things. People can also fail to overcome their disorder and end up doing horrible things. This point just proves that having this disorder did not make Syndrome a villain in of itself.

It's possible to get that message but only if you use a twisted viewing glass. Look at Frozone. He had a happy normal life but was willing to be a superhero anyways at the first sign of danger. These 'threats' risked their lives so that others could live. They never tried to force their beliefs or rule others. In fact they would stop those who did. When the majority asked them to step down they did, if reluctantly. None of them refused to step down at all and continued acting as a vigilante.

I covered this but if Syndrome had released his products openly that would be true. Instead he wanted to be the only super for a good long time. Then as a final kick in the teeth to whatever supers may still be alive he would make everyone super. He had no noble purpose behind him, only bitterness and vengeance.

Syndrome underestimated his own creation and nearly caused his own death along with hundreds of thousands of others. Yes he should be blamed for that. If he hadn't been such a showboat it wouldn't have happened at all. The Incredibles didn't know about the plan at all and had to piece it together on the fly. Doing so they managed to defeat the robot using a method that Syndrome would not have been able to do. They do deserve the full credit for that victory alongside Frozone.

First you say superheroes should not kill, but due to their potential to kill they should all be killed. Seriously that sounds like trolling. Did Mr. Incredible kill Syndrome? Pretty much yeah. Was Syndrome a serious threat regardless? Yeah. He could have easily rebuilt his wealth elsewhere in the world by selling his ideas. Failing that he still possessed technology strong enough to defeat all of the Incredibles. Was Mr. Incredible acting in self-defense? Yes. Was it right? No.

Syndrome wanted to taunt and torture the Incredibles. He in fact does try and kill them many times throughout the movie. Your own arguments cannot be applied to him. It's only because he thought it would be more painful for them to steal their child away that he let them live at all.


So what's my reward?