Quote Originally Posted by SiuiS View Post
You missed the part where it's a worthy challenge. Your examples fail because you aren't a worthy challenge. You aren't the leveled barbarian to their leveled rogue; you're chaff. You're the guy who's a background element when they win, no roll involved.
Actually, it would still be a roll: ~DC 10-12 stealth check, which a high-level rogue should be able to pull off VERY easily.