Thanks for the replies.

As it is few people have wanted to play rogues in my games. I haven't spoken to them about the reasons but I suspect that being useful in combat is not the primary concern. I don't want rogues to outshine the full BAB classes in damage dealing on a regular basis but putting two-feat tax on making rogue being regularly somewhat competent in combat is a bit harsh, imo. I probably won't have to worry about my players abusing anything and giving them this boost might just entice someone to try something other than what they have so far. I know that technically feinting is available to all melee combatants but it's hard to shake the feeling that only rogues are ever going to use it.

Quote Originally Posted by gr8artist View Post
Fixed that for you.
Good catch.


Also, I'd have GF make the action an immediate, rather than swift, so you can do it off-turn if desired. Its a minor buff, but it's useful, and it gives 'em a reason to take it (since currently the rogue doesn't really benefit from GF, his team does). As it stands, most rogues try and talk the fighter into taking this chain, so he can burn his worthless time making feints to benefit the rogue. By allowing the rogue to feint as a swift action, you're removing any desire he might ever have to take the final feat in this chain.
I see what you're driving at here but I'm a bit unsure if I want to give people auto-feint. The point of GF was to leave the target open until your next turn and to weaken him for others. Making it a swift action means that the feinter must make some sort of effort to trick his target (which will probably have a high chance of success for rogues, consdiering the changes I've made to the rogue class). For the most part it it won't matter either way but ther emay be situations where you have to choose between feinting your opponent and doing something else like Smiting or LoH or whatever.

Consider instead having ALL "Improved Combat Maneuver" feats grant their "Greater" versions when your BAB reaches a certain point (6 or 8, probably)
Way ahead of you. I just felt that feinting needed some extra love.