Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
Agreed. As long as you insist on believing things about it that everybody else knows are not true, tthen nobody else can convince you of anything.
If your argument comes down to "well you must be ignorant if you don't agree with me", then we really are done.

Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
It doesn't mean that. It never meant that. Neither Jack Vance nor any rules-writer ever meant that.
Well, then, I guess they shouldn't have said that, and neither should some of the system's advocates, either.