Retiering the Classes: Bard, Factotum, Jester, and Savant

[Beheld]

Also, c'mon. Glibness is a spell whose value ranges from "useful" to "overpowering" based on how the GM runs social stuff, but it's not going to make-or-break the Bard. I mean, hell, you've got Charm Monster and Lesser Geas at the same spell level; you got Suggestion one spell level earlier (and one level earlier via your music, potentially), and Dominate Person one level later. Not to mention a high Charisma, Diplomacy, and all the synergies. You've got lots of options for social command-and-control-- and even that is just one trick in your bag.

Well right, but eggy wants to bypass all the saving throws and able to be compared to level appropriate challenges by making the bluff skill work like Dominate Monster No Save when you cast Glibness so that he can bypass the fact that all those about or less level appropriate spells are limited by targets and saves and usage limits and effects and immunities that negate or prevent them.