Retiering the Classes: Bard, Factotum, Jester, and Savant

[ryu]

"Something untenable" here being attempting to get you to back up your own claim.

I agree you have definitely demonstrated that you backing up your claim is untenable.

I question however if outside your own head that when you presented a challenge and I followed through, and then you backed out after you looked at the monsters and couldn't come up with spells that met your criteria, that perhaps that might have effected your credibility.

Interesting hypothetical. Guess we'll never know what would've happened in that situation because you didn't follow through, and with access to WBL, ACFs, race choices, and literally any spells available at the level natively that don't summon or create minions the challenge is easy.