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    Quote Originally Posted by Legato Endless View Post
    Remember that guy from the previous show?
    It feels more like the show people are trying to hide the fact that their are other Trek shows and want the audience to think they ''made up'' everything all by themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legato Endless View Post
    Yeah that's my primary issue. Thematically it's a resonant (if not particularly subtle) take on current affairs, but it's hard to wrap my head around how these Klingons fit between Archer and Kirk. With how big Trek is, just having another race seems to avoid all the issues. But that also requires work to get the audience invested in the new species.
    Well, their basic idea is sound...they are just doing it wrong. It should be like this: The Dominant Klingon Types are the ''human'' looking ones and they are the ones that have tossed off all the old ways. T'kuvma and his group would be the ''old fashioned'' rebels that want to go back to the old ways. The Klingon ''new way'' stays in power from Archer's time, through the Original Series Time, and then they fall from power just after that(right before Star Trek: The Movie).

    Quote Originally Posted by Legato Endless View Post
    That's like having everyone quoting Napoleon on the verge of World War One.
    Would it be like anyone quoting Sun Tzu in the 23 century? (Or 21st century?)

    Spoiler: Battle at the Binary Stars
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    *Big Bridge-When Michael gets her first look at the USS Shenzhou's main bridge...it is huge. Like TNG Galaxy class huge!

    *Michael's Plan-Ok, so Mikes plan was to destroy T'Kuvma's ship before the plot even starts. Couple problem here is: Is not crazy attacking a ship an act of war? Sure the Klingon's are in Federation space but the whole ''we saw then and blew them out of the stars'' is not the best diplomatic way to go here. And can the old USS Shenzhou really take on a massive Klingon battlestar?

    *The Light of Kahless?- So each of the 24 house leaders of Klingon were on Qo'noS and ''saw the light'', then immediately jumped into a ship and warppped over to somewhere far away to answer the beacon light that they don't follow and believe in any more?

    *Holo Everyone- So guess everyone has the fancy holo communicators way more advanced then anything seen in The Original Series, Original Movies or any Next Generation era TV show. Though guess the Klingons got discount 'mono color Star War surplus' ones?

    *So 24 ships from 24 houses show up...but there are only like six holo Klingons during the big talk?

    *Send in the fleet?- So like all of Starfleet warps in as a single Klingon ship is sitting there and might have damaged a Starfleet relay? It's not like the Klingons blew up a planet or anything.

    *The Old Fleet?- The Starfleet ships that come in are all ''ENT'' style, but at just ten years before Kirk we should be seeing some Original Series ships here.

    *American Fleet?- They do this a lot, but for a Starfleet made up of ships from lots of worlds, the ones mostly see and hear about are the ones from Earth America or 'safe' mythology. We hear the 'Yegar', 'Clark', 'Edsion', 'Ride', 'Einstein', 'Airheart' and Europa. Also, note all the soft 'science' or 'peace' names. We do, barely see two non-human ships: the Vulcan USS T'Plana-Hath and the Andorian USS Shran.

    *Target Fleet?- So Starfleet warps in, floats over to like within one kilometer of the Klingon fleet and then is like ''ok, lets just sit here and be targets''?

    *Battlestations!- The space battle is very re-imaged movie like and way beyond way more advanced then anything seen in The Original Series, Original Movies or the Next Generation era TV shows, until the later DS9 and Voyager ones and the last couple movies.

    *Super Shields- The 'old' USS Shenzhou has the fancy shields that cover hull breaches? Like nothing the newer Constitutions class USS enterprise has?

    *Bad Medicine- Helmsman RedShirt gets wounded by a typical 40,000 volt Starfleet non-OSHA compliant console. Then the Captain is like ''you can make it to sick bay right?"

    *Big Brig- The Brig of the USS Shenzhou way more advanced then anything seen in The Original Series, Original Movies or any Next Generation era TV show.

    *Super Mind Meld?- What? Ok, it is a special mind meld, or something, but still instantaneous real time communication over light years of distance? And if Sarek did this when she was a little girl, wonder why he has not used it in the years sense then? Michael was in Starfleet for seven years and never needed a 'peep talk?' or was the USS Shenzhou just mapping gaseous anomalies for seven years?

    *Don't Need Too- So the peaceful live and let live Klingons don't ''need to'' finish off the USS Shenzhou. What? Did this writer never watch Star Trek before? (Klingon sensor guy-"Captain! they are drifting into the scary rocky field of rocks! We must turn back!" Klingon captain smiles and kills Klingon sensor guy-"Full power! I will not be denied my kill! Fire all weapons and destroy that ship!"

    *Tractor is sexy- The USS Eroupa('Luna class') has a beautiful tractor beam way more advanced then anything seen in The Original Series, Original Movies or any Next Generation era TV show. Though it is just like a Vulcan one from ENT.

    *Starfleet Flagship?- Admiral Anderson shows up on a dinky little science vessel? Ok, so guess this might be part of the plot of ''Starfleet has gotten soft and weak'', still, you'd think the Supreme Admiral(or should that be Commodore, wink, wink) would show up in one of the fancy, new Constitution Class Starships that are in service like maybe the USS Excalibur(or the USS Constitution herself).

    Insignia- Well, oddly, all of Starfleet uses the Enterprise Insignia back in 2255. When in 2265 it was normal for each ship, starbase and outpost to have their own Insignia. Starfleet did not, oddly, adopt the Enterprise Insignia until after Kirk's five year mission.

    *Cloaking Conundrum-The Klingons did not get cloaking technology until they made an alliance with the Romulans in like 2266. Yet here in 2255 they have it? And it looks like the Romulan cloak from Star Trek Nemesis? And Kahless invented it in the 9th century, what?

    *Take that!-Granted we only see Admiral Anderson for like a minute, but he sure seems all ''let us all just talk and make peace'' like wimp. He does not seem like the self destruct type. He is more of the type that even as the ship blows up around him he will cry ''peace and surrender to our enemies is the only way-" boom, he dies. Or was it the Number One of the USS Europa that was like ''Dirty Klingon space trash! Set auto destruct for five seconds! If we are going down we are taking these Klingon B'taha with us!"

    *Klingon School-Wow, T'Kuvma sure speaks some good ''Federation Standard English''

    *Let them Live?-Ok, well, this is pure plot contrivance of the worst kind as the writer wants to have all the good guys defeated, but not killed(you know so their can be a show). But with Klingons? Klingons are the ones that kill civilians , medical personal and wounded warriors in their beds....

    *Big Broadcast- Is there some reason the baddy damaged USS Shenzhou routes the audio of T'Kuvma's speech all over the ship and specifically to what is left of the brig? And why is this broadcast the old view-screen way? Why does not T'Kuvma holo project?

    *Super Computer- The USS Shenzhou main computer is a super advanced AI, way more advanced then anything seen in The Original Series, Original Movies or any Next Generation era TV show, until we get to The Doctor of Voyager.

    *Crazy Captain- Um, I think most other Starfleet captains would just accept they lost the fight and would live to fight another day. But not Captain Philippa Georgiou, she is all like ''let us keep fighting!'' as she is some sort of big Sun Zu fan. And it is unlikely her plan would obliterate the much larger and not as baddy damaged Klingon Flagship..and then they would just obliterate the USS Shenzhou.

    *Auto Pilot- So, why don't worker bees have auto pilots? Seems very basic.

    *Tractor Beams- Hum, so the Klingon's have the ENT vulcan tractor beams too? And why is the tractor beam emitter to collect the dead in the skinny neck of the Y-Wing Klingon Flagship?

    *Big Job- T'Kuvma will take care of ''all the dead''? Even if there are only like 50, that is a lot. Like several days of work?

    *Super Sensors-So the USS Shenzhou finds the body of a bead Klingon Officer floating in space...but how? Does the sensor ''read'' his rank badge or something? How can they tell an officer from a crewman from anything?

    *No Sensors-So the Klingon's don't detect the transporter use or the photon torpedo case? When the Klingon's are actively scanning the area to find their dead?

    *Size does Matter-Um, a photon torpedo case is like the size of a pot pie? Seems kind small for a tactical ship to ship weapon.

    *Away Team-Ok, well, this is pure plot contrivance of the worst kind, again, and it is Star Trek.....BUT....really, sending over the Captain and First Officer to fight and capture a bad guy? Does the USS Shenzhou not have any security personnel? (or some MAKOs?) And even if you 'must' send the captain and #1, why not send more of a team?

    *Klingon Expert-As soon as they beam aboard the Klingon ship Commander Burnham is like ''ah, we are on the aft section of the bridge." Because she studied the ships schematics or something?

    *Shoot to Stun-Ok, well, this is pure plot contrivance of the worst kind, again, and it is Star Trek.....BUT....really are the Starfleet Assault Kidnapping Away Team shooting to stun? Like ten seconds ago they blew up the ship and likely killed a couple Klingons....but now it is like ''just stun them''?

    *Super Sensors back again-So, suddenly the USS Shenzhou can detect the active life signs of an away team member, way more advanced then anything seen in The Original Series, Original Movies or any Next Generation era TV show.

    *Communicator where?-The second the captain does Herd Alien Guy is like ''the captain is dead, I'm beaming you back!'' to what communications device? We don't see Commander Burnham with one of the little 'flip phone' ones (you know like you see in the Opening Credits).

    *Abandon Ship-Er, when they abandon the USS Shenzhou is it in like 20 shuttles? They sure don't look like 'escape pods'.

    *Evil courtroom-Um, what is with the 1984 ish horrible night mare courtroom? Is this some secret court marshal on a black site?

    *What Charges?- So, guess Captain Philippa Georgiou had time to officially file the charges against Commander Burnham and send them to the Starfleet JAG office? Or did one of the desperate escaping people from the battle grab that bit of data? Sure, I guess Farm Guy could have done it-"Forget the emergency supplies, I'm making sure I get the dirt on Mike!"

    Final- C, Well, it is a lot more action packed...and that is good. And it is just the 'pilot', so they are still setting things up....we are not even on the USS Discovery yet...

    Last edited by Darth Ultron; 2017-10-01 at 05:02 PM.