Quote Originally Posted by Melcar View Post
How? Since you can create Pun pun at level 1, is level 1 broken too? Is playing 4 level 15 fighters broken?
Well for one thing, the core assumptions the game was designed on have fully broken down by this point.

Tier 1s have access to an incredible amount of power, often gamebreaking amounts of it.


Quote Originally Posted by Melcar View Post
Doubtful!
Can you post links to your character sheets?

Quote Originally Posted by Melcar View Post
Sure... call it that. But the point is the game only "breaks down" if you choose to, therefore it does not automatically happen, ergo its not broken per! You can play a low-mid optimized game and nothing breaks down!
Eh, no. The game most certainly is broken, you have to take specific steps to stop it from breaking.


Quote Originally Posted by Melcar View Post
Broken how? Against what benchmark? There are rules which can be abused to make Pun Pun at level 1 and there are epic things that break the game... but its about how you use it. Our game is not broken... we choose not to, so I don't abuse the free wishes or the Sarrukh Su ability loops. Our DM said many years ago, that all the tricks we used, any other NPC worth his/her salt knew too... So unless we wanted to fight Pun Pun... we should think carefully what we abused...

But yes, I would ague that there are faults, but its not broken as in unplayable!
Epic is completely and thoroughly a mess. At this point, the Fighters are at their most linear, the Wizards at their most quadratic.

Epic spellcasting alone is more than capable of snapping the game in two.

Pun Pun is moot in this case because no one ever tries to play as him.