I want Charm spells to work better in D&D. Let's brainstorm

[Indigo Knight]

Problem: Charm/ hypnotism/ mesmerism spells don’t work well in D&D, either 3X or 5th edition.

You mentioned only one difficulty. Can you list all the other reasons as well?

I like Joseph Manola’s BX Mesmerist class, http://udan-adan.blogspot.com/2016/0...mesmerist.html as a concept.

Which is?

Some things that...

You are describing spells. Could be new spells. Perhaps an old spell changed to give a new option.

Game balance? If you keep doing it, people WILL kick your ass for being a prat.

'snot a game balance. It's a story balance.

...overlaps and interacts with the Bluff skill. Can also interact with the Diplomacy skill...

and there's your problem –

The problem here is not the skill check having +10, it's the Core Diplomacy rules.

Exactly!

Use instead the Giant's Fix, found right here on GitP, for example.

Link?


You say you aim for the rotating gears behind the [compulsion] affect key-word, but you describe another thing completely.
I think that before we delve into the change to make, we should probably better enunciate the mission goal.