Talk to Ashiel About Anything Mark II

[Lemmy]

I think 4e did it right, in its case, to toss out saves and just use attributes instead. If you have 6 you may as well use them rather than inventing yet more derived attributes.

I think you're mixing up 4e with 5e...

IIRC, 4e still had the three classic saves, but they could be based on different attributes (Str or Con for Fort, Dex or Int for Reflex, and Wis or Cha for Will)... Which I actually like. It was one of the few good changes 4e made, IMO.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, after all... As PF2 can remind us.