Question about simulacrum

[magicalmagicman]

Except that was RoboEmperor.

Come on man it's just one page back.

What does that have to do with the spell needing a material component as a blue print to know what you are creating? The spell doesn't know what Iron is. It needs the material component to copy. Without Iron DNA how the hell does the spell know how to create Iron?

If you can decide to create iron and supply iron or ignore it, there's no reason why you can't decide to create John and supply a piece of John or ignore it. You have no basis for your claim that simulacrum's material component comes first. Nothing in the spell description references the material component just like how minor creation does not reference the material component. Nowhere does it say for minor creation the decision comes first and for simulacrum the material component comes first. All this is your way of trying to come up with a reason to try to nerf a powerful spell but stopping the same reason from nerfing an average spell.

And an adventure module using a scroll that requires the piece of creature is irrelevant. The question is can you create a simulacrum of a creature without a piece of it? The answer is yes. Mirror Mephit proves it. Whether that simulacrum scroll required an additional material component after creation is completely irrelevant to the fact that a creature accomplished creating simulacra without a piece of the creature. If john can lift a brick while jenny can't, is the brick liftable by a human? The answer is yes because you only need one case to prove that your claim that simulacrum fails without material components is false.

There is no RAW text that says the spell fails without a material component.
Nothing in the simulacrum spell description references the simulacrum material component.
There is no RAW text that says for minor creation the decision comes first yet for simulacrum the material component (which is never referenced) comes first.
There is no RAW text that says you can ignore the material component blue print for minor creation but not for simulacrum.
There are no official examples of creatures failing to cast simulacrum as an SLA without a material component. There is an official example that does the exact opposite.

There is simply nothing, no rule text, no official examples, or even logic, that supports anything that you've said.

Casting the spell and gaining the desired effect without needing that component means you are so good at casting simulacrum you can create simulacra of john without needing a piece of john. How is being so good at casting spells that you don't need a piece of john to create a simulacrum a john result in spell failure?

Why is this interpretation wrong and why is your interpretation right? What piece of rule text says you're right and that I'm wrong? Why can't you be so good at casting simulacrum that you don't need a piece of john to create john? And how come you say minor creation does not need a blueprint material component while simulacrum absolutely does?

There is an official example of a creature successfully casting simulacrum without a piece of the creature. Ravenloft's scroll has nothing to do with this accomplishment.
The RAW does not specify any penalty for using eschew materials to forgo the requirement of that material component.
The spell does not use the material component in anyway. It doesn't say it grows a creature from the nail clipping.
The RAW actually supports forgoing the requirement of the material component. It doesn't say "ignore", it says "you don't need it".

There is simply nothing, no rule text, no official example, or even logic, that supports anything that you've said.

Please give us something official, not something you concocted, that supports your claim, instead of making up stuff like how minor creation decides first and can ignore its material component blueprint while simulacrum must use its material component blueprint first before deciding.

RoboEmperor ragequit pages ago.