Quote Originally Posted by Beoric View Post
Not great examples. Cap is, in fact, augmented by the "super soldier" serum. Bats can't go toe to toe with monstrous opponents, but relies upon his gear and crazy preparedness.

It would be easier to play Bats in a rules light system, or with a very flexible 4e DM who was not worried about RAW or even RAI and would let PC preparation and planning trump combat rules and skill checks. If you manage to collapse a mountain on a dragon, you don't limit yourself to DMG p. 42.

And wuxia isn't martial, its psionic, a la the monk, and maybe battlemind. Martial characters generally don't fly or do elemental damage without gear.
Wuxia is paragon power. One of the Epic Destinies is to actually be a primordial, or a demigod. Hercules is a martial epic, Captain America is a paragon level character and Batman is Heroic.

Epic level characters are dealing in threats that would show up in DC or Marvel's big name comics. Tiamat versus the Avengers would be about the Hulk and Thor tanking her until they could use the mcguffin to banish her or make her scales permeable; they are not threats any normal person is fighting and the destinies agree with that.