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    To understand "The Crucible" we have to understand "Scale" and also "Scale over Time" since the Scale is not a fixed thing but a thing that unfolds acts in a non-linear fashion.
    • The Five can Resurrect 1k mutants per week when they were trying it out for the first time in the run-up of House of X per HoX5.
    • The Five can now resurrect 30k mutants a week if everything is running smoothly.
    • Thus it will take 10+ years to resurrect all the mutants they want to resurrect.
    • Even though the Five can resurrect 30k mutants a week, Xavier can't resurrect that many for he gets exhausted and has other tasks unlike The Five.
    • In theory per HoX5 multiple telepaths can reduce the burden on Xavier but even then there will be a limit for X-Factor 2 states the current law is they can only have one Cerebro resurrection helmet active at a time.

    Per Marvel X-Men editor Jordan White there has only been 13 years inside 616 for the X-Men (1963) and the Fantastic Four (1961.) This is called the sliding time-scale for how much time that flows in our world is different than time flows in 616. Furthermore while only 13 years have occured since the Original X-Men forming individual characters may be older or younger than 13 years at that start of it. Under this logic Cyclops should be about 28 but he is mentally older than 28 since he spent 12+ years in other universes and with time travel and all that jazz. (He spent 12 years with Jean raising cable in the future, his body was not transported he instead inhabited the body of another with a mental-psychic-time link connecting these two bodies.)

    This means the vast majority of the mutants are 40 year olds or younger for most mutants are new mutants and not some older mutant like Professor X, Magneto, Apocalypse, Mystique / Raven, etc. In fact most mutants should be 30 or younger since mutant powers manifest in the teen years around puberty and if everyone was 15 when their power manifested and 13 years have passed they would still be under 30. Yet some mutants often antagonists and mentors are older than 30 for you have to have an older generation than the OG5 in order to have characters the OG5 are inspired from, and antagonists for them to fight.

    Likewise HoX2 established that the current year is Moira X 52 and thus the OG5 X-Men should have been founded roughly in Moira X 39. Likewsie HoX2 established Genosha and Moira's fake death happened 3 years ago in Moira X 49.

    HoX4 stated there were 17.5 million mutants in Moira X 49
    • But Genosha happened killing 16.5 million mutants.
    • No More Mutants also robbed another 1 million mutants of their powers leaving roughly 198 behind.
    • An unknown number of mutants gained powers after Avengers vs X-Men Comic Event where they used the Phoenix to rebirth the X-Gene and Mutants
    • As of HoX5 there are about 100,000 mutants
    • X-Men/Fantastic Four #2 has Reed Richards on a datapage states there is about 200k mutants on Krakoa and 10k off the island.
    • Sidenote it appears no non-mutant knows about the Krakoan resurrection process. Maybe this is not an absolute bullet point for Jane Foster knows due to her interactions with Death but most other people will not know and likely Reed Richards...at this moment in time.


    If they can resurrect 30k mutants a week it will take a little more than 11 years to resurrect them all.

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    Back to the Crucible and lets talk sociological theory.

    Xavier is trying to create a Mutant Society. He was trying to create a Mutant Society 13 years ago, a parallel integrated society that needed no home but he gave up on that dream. Current Xavier wants to create a home and via creating a home a parallel integrated society is still possible due to the Resurrection Process. This was not Moira's ambition when she was in the womb at the start of the 10th life (break all the rules) but is an invention of Xavier that Moira encouraged before she changed her mind.

    Since it will take 11 or so years to resurrect all the mutants, who is resurrected first is an inherently a political act. Since Xavier is trying to create an ideal society which choices made are inherently political as well. What is sociological then? Well it is politics and so much more, it is everything needed to "feed" a society and thus it includes politics, culture, language (same or a new one), myths, religion, economics, etc and the types of "social interactions" between all these parts but also things that came prior to a society such as the social relationships between individuals, family, occupation, and so on.

    Xavier wants all of these things to be "fed" for his goal is a self-sustaining society, literally the resurrection machine writ large where not just individuals can not die, but also the culture of that island and the future world will not die. Mutant society will be weaved into the destiny of planet Earth and can not be removed [like a virus.]

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    Thus Xavier and the rest of the Quiet Council including creating the Crucilbe and in the process created a circus覧hazing覧gladiatorial覧death覧ritual that will unite whoever is resurrected back in a more FERVENT way than a nice euthanasia. They have to want to be reborn a mutant and be willing to die a painful death to do so. Likewise this circus覧hazing覧gladiatorial覧death覧ritual is a public spectacle. The spectacle is the point for the public for it unites / ties the participant in the ring to the greater mutant culture outside the ring saying all this blood is not just on Apocalypse's hands but every mutant's hands, and likewise the resurrection is not just in the Hands of The Five and Xavier but in the Hands of Everyone.

    The Spectacle is the Point.

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    I do not like it and I am not comfortable with it, but my attraction v. repulsion is not the issue here. It is a creation of Xavier that is inherently not neutral (and when I am saying it is not neutral I am not calling it good or bad, merely a human is putting the thumb on the ⚖️.)

    Xavier thus gets to choose (via a committee of who is next in The Crucible) if the depowered mutants should be a priority, do they help Krakoa or not help Krakoa (in Xavier's mind), and even if Xavier is not sure the mere act of performing in The Crucible is like a baptism of a sort, it changes how you see the world, it changes how you see Mutant Kind, you feel part of a greater community. This is not an intellectual exercise it is how Hazing and Boot Camp work, humans are changed by these experience (sometimes subtlet sometimes profoundly, but it happens that is not in doubt.)

    And thus Xavier is creating a sociological influence on the greater society he is creating.

    It in no different than how Xavier manipulated his students with specifically how he trained them with the OG5 X-Men. Only difference is a much higher massive scale, with bigger consequences. It is now micro instead of macro.

    When Xavier was reborn as X, there was an annual issue of Astonishing X-Men Annual (year 2018) well 4 of the Original 5 X-Men adults were getting together for Jean Grey was recently reborn and they wanted to celebrate and reminisce, but also to mourn Cyclops who was still dead. Well the 4 X-Men did not know Xavier was alive and when he showed up at this reunion they were not in a good mood for they felt manipulated by him again and again with them having scars. And guess what Xavier / X does again? He manipulates them once again in this 2018 Annual.
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