Quote Originally Posted by Tzardok View Post
Maybe. Or maybe it wasn't beast-like enough; I at least imagine gargoyles usually as humanoid in their basic shape.
What about Bronx?

On a more serious note, a lot of medieval weren't humanoid so I think that was where they were coming from in 3.0.

As far as Crystal Gargoyle goes I will go with +0 just like the standard gargoyle, with a -4 the Cha it will take some decent investing to make Charm Person, Color Spray, and Inflict Pain useful so I am not seeing an argument for those being enough to bump this up to +1 from +0.