Quote Originally Posted by ShneekeyTheLost View Post
Yes, but the Joker Bard isn't going anywhere near the party, ideally. Not until the end of the campaign, at least. Besides, Joker Bard in combat isn't going to target the Batman Wizard. He's going to target the Ubercharger, Dominate him, and make HIM attack the Batman Wizard, which ties up TWO party members, not just one. Maybe even the Rogue instead, who also has a poor Will save. If the Wizard isn't aware of the attack, it's a sneak attack, and he's not expecting his buddy to attack him, is he?
Yep, you're correct. And another weak area of a WIS "dump stat" - a wizard does not have sense motive as class ability, either. Yes, that could work both technically and make a dramatic challenge for a group!

I wonder...could the joker charm a wizard's familiar without the wizard noticing it? Probably not...but it would be fun...

- Giacomo