ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect

[kpenguin]

Yeah, I know.

Although it was mostly because I didn't dwell too much on the avatar.

[Emperor Ing]

Yeah, I know.

Although it was mostly because I didn't dwell too much on the avatar.

You have been promoted to:

[Lyinginbedmon]

Okay, so the next, most immediate, plot battle is against the Shades Castle. Before we do that, we need to re-animate Threeshades.

I've got a page to make and college starts up again Monday, but I'll see about getting that much done soon.

[kpenguin]

Hey, what's Salmon's flight speed?

[Mad Mask]

Hey, what's Salmon's flight speed?

He moves at the speed of the plot. Now please stop using and ripping off the D&D system.

[kpenguin]

He moves at the speed of the plot. Now please stop using and ripping off the D&D system.

Flight speed is a unique part of the D&D system now?

[Threeshades]

He moves at the speed of the plot. Now please stop using and ripping off the D&D system.

avbaroy is based on d&d rules, since the first plot started and even before its got a name. And that's what it'll always be.

[Mina Kobold]

Flight speed is a unique part of the D&D system now?

If it is then why do somebody say per hour and not per round

avbaroy is based on d&d rules, since the first plot started and even before its got a name. And that's what it'll always be.

And if it wheren't all my characters and several backstories (including Remember the best of them) wouldn't make sence.

[Keris]

Flight speed is a unique part of the D&D system now?

"How fast can Salmon fly?" asks a question about the abilities of the character. "What is Salmon's Flight Speed?" asks what the given statistic for that character is, and "Flight Speed" is a value used by the D&D system. By using given statistics, we limit ourselves to follow the rules of that system.
The majority of characters in ABR are based on the D&D system, so it is reasonable to assume you meant Flight Speed in the context of that system.

[Mad Mask]

Flight speed is a unique part of the D&D system now?

My guess is that Red Salmons can reach speeds of 30 km/h.

avbaroy is based on d&d rules, since the first plot started and even before its got a name. And that's what it'll always be.

Now you're just being crazy. Q's two SDSB characters, my characters, the events of a large portion of comics and many other things do not operate on these rules.

[Devigod]

You know I've been meening to ask you that. Why are you holding a tire?

Why aren't you?

...

I think it's just as important to ask that question to yourself first, then ask TnD.
But I insist, why aren't you holding a tire?

[kpenguin]

"How fast can Salmon fly?" asks a question about the abilities of the character. "What is Salmon's Flight Speed?" asks what the given statistic for that character is, and "Flight Speed" is a value used by the D&D system. By using given statistics, we limit ourselves to follow the rules of that system.
The majority of characters in ABR are based on the D&D system, so it is reasonable to assume you meant Flight Speed in the context of that system.

Ah.

Regardless, I asked for a flight speed and MM gave a vague "speed of plot". While this is all very well and good for him, I would prefer something more definate, else we may discover Salmon flying at the speed of jet fighter.

[Mina Kobold]

"How fast can Salmon fly?" asks a question about the abilities of the character. "What is Salmon's Flight Speed?" asks what the given statistic for that character is, and "Flight Speed" is a value used by the D&D system. By using given statistics, we limit ourselves to follow the rules of that system.
The majority of characters in ABR are based on the D&D system, so it is reasonable to assume you meant Flight Speed in the context of that system.

Flight speed is the proper term for how fast a plane or similar can fly hence why DnD use it (I think).

[Threeshades]

My guess is that Red Salmons can reach speeds of 30 km/h.



Now you're just being crazy. Q's two SDSB characters, my characters, the events of a large portion of comics and many other things do not operate on these rules.

just because there are things that don't doesnt mean, nothing does. There are also mechanics from all kinds of games, up to and including video games. Depends on the character mostly.

[Mad Mask]

Ah.

Regardless, I asked for a flight speed and MM gave a vague "speed of plot". While this is all very well and good for him, I would prefer something more definate, else we may discover Salmon flying at the speed of jet fighter.

It's something around 30 km/hour, as I mentioned in my previous post.

just because there are things that don't doesnt mean, nothing does. There are also mechanics from all kinds of games, up to and including video games. Depends on the character mostly.

I agree (although I don't like the term "mechanic"; it sounds limiting), but when you said that Avbaroy was "based" on the D&D system, it sounded as if it was almost the only factor.

[kpenguin]

It's something around 30 km/hour, as I mentioned in my previous post.

That's... pretty fast, considering that he's only using his caudal fin to thrust.

[Threeshades]

That's... pretty fast, considering that he's only using his caudal fin to thrust.

and that in normal air.

[kpenguin]

and that in normal air.

Indeed. Of course, we're probably suspending the laws of physics a bit a lot, so... yeah.

[Tiffanie Lirle]

I honestly expected the landfish to be varying from 8-12 km/h on an average "walking speed" pace.

[Mad Mask]

That's... pretty fast, considering that he's only using his caudal fin to thrust.

[justifying]That's the maximum speed of the fastest Flying Landfish, the Little Trout. Other Landfish are much slower. And keep in mind that many other animals fly faster than that. Also, there are many other things more improbable to the speed of an animal that is suspiciously identical to some Earth-based chordate and supposedly evolved on its own a gas pocket and lost wings that enabled it to fly faster. And a human, who is legged-bound, has been faster than that (48 km/h).[/justifying]

I based my calculation of the speed of the Flying Fish, but since Flying Landfish are more like blimps, I'm probably erroneous.

[Keris]

Flight speed is the proper term for how fast a plane or similar can fly hence why DnD use it (I think).

That would be Maximum Indicated Air Speed. Indicated Air Speed is relative to the air moving around the plane, as opposed to Ground Speed.

[Mina Kobold]

That's... pretty fast, considering that he's only using his caudal fin to thrust.

Roughly 900ft/300m per round. That sounds a little to fast considering his speed while fleeing has been equal to humans.

[DoomITP]

so many templets.... *cries*

[Bayar]

Fly 30 ft/average ?

@V you FAIL at D&D.

[Mad Mask]

Fly 30 ft/average ?

30 ft per what ?

[kpenguin]

[justifying]That's the maximum speed of the fastest Flying Landfish, the Little Trout. Other Landfish are much slower. And keep in mind that many other animals fly faster than that. Also, there are many other things more improbable to the speed of an animal that is suspiciously identical to some Earth-based chordate and supposedly evolved on its own a gas pocket and lost wings that enabled it to fly faster.[/justifying]

I based my calculation of the speed of the Flying Fish, but since Flying Landfish are more like blimps, I'm probably erroneous.

Until we get final word on that from salmon, I'd say we use the max speed of a RL atlantic salmon, about 30kph/20mph.

Or your estimate.

That would be Maximum Indicated Air Speed. Indicated Air Speed is relative to the air moving around the plane, as opposed to Ground Speed.

You enjoy being pedantic, don't you?

30 ft per what ?

Bayar probably meant per D&D round, which is about 6 seconds. D&D speed is jogging speed, with x4 for running and x.5 for walking.

30 ft/round is around 3.5 mph, so 14 mph at running speed.

[Mad Mask]

Until we get final word on that from salmon, I'd say we use the max speed of a RL atlantic salmon, about 30kph/20mph.

Or your estimate.

To be honest, I based my estimate on the flying speed of a Flying Fish, who, according to Lyinginbedmon, is one of the ancestors to the Flying Landfish. These can reach speeds of more than 60 kph, but I found 30 kph more reasonable.

V: Per six seconds ? Why six seconds ? Shouldn't it be more reasonable to say "per minute" or "per hour" ?

[Threeshades]

30 ft per what ?

30 feet per six seconds.

[Bayar]

30 feet per six seconds.

30 feet per move action with average maneuvrability

[Mina Kobold]

30 feet per six seconds.

That's 1kmph and hence why I can't see the connection with 30kmph.