Avatar Battle Royale Discussion Thread XIX: To FAIL, or not to FAIL?

[Keris]

TAKE THAT, LYING!

Why thank you, Q. I take back what I may or may not have said about you at some unspecified time in the past.

[Mad Mask]

Keris Rain, those rules are irrelevant as your comic was packed full of godmoding. Threeshades herself, the maker of all that prophecy business, has herself agreed with Lying's plan per PM. And Rule 8 is also irrelevant, as Lying clearly explained the matter beforehand, and Rule 11 is not applicable as it only applies when one person makes the plan without the approval of other members.

Let me add that the Rule of Funny is also irrelevant in this case, as the comic was clearly not designed with Funny in mind.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Keris Rain, those rules are irrelevant as your comic was packed full of godmoding. Threeshades herself, the maker of all that prophecy business, has herself agreed with Lying's plan per PM. And Rule 8 is also irrelevant, as Lying clearly explained the matter beforehand, and Rule 11 is not applicable as it only applies when one person makes the plan without the approval of other members.

SCREW YOU, KERIS RAIN!

Why thank you, Q. I take back what I may or may not have said about you at some unspecified time in the past.

....I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ROUTE FOR!

[Mad Mask]

Plus, Keris Rain's action are clearly indented with anarchy in mind, while Lying's was done with a more oligarchic principal, which, as you know, is the first step toward democracy.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Plus, Keris Rain's action are clearly indented with anarchy in mind, while Lying's was done with a more oligarchic principal, which, as you know, is the first step toward democracy.

....

UP YOURS, MAD MASK!

*goes to bed*

[DoomITP]

how is lying's method any better? He did it without talkin' about it. and you kind of need to be aware of everything for it to be a successful democracy, its more like a dictatorship than anything else really.

[Lyinginbedmon]

Mask, I have almost no understanding of what you just said as regards oligarchy.

*screams* I cant stand the thin blurry lines any longer!! Hey lying, what dpi do you export to bitmap at?

I use the standard 90.00 dpi

[Mad Mask]

how is lying's method any better? He did it without talkin' about it. and you kind of need to be aware of everything for it to be a successful democracy, its more like a dictatorship than anything else really.

He consulted Threeshades, who invented the prophecy thing, and myself. Dictatorship would be as if he made the decision all alone, Oligarchy would mean he consulted a few people, and Democracy would be if he consulted everyone. Ergo, Lying's method was oligarchic.

[Fawkes]

Plus, Keris Rain's action are clearly indented with anarchy in mind, while Lying's was done with a more oligarchic principal, which, as you know, is the first step toward democracy.

I thought we were an autonomous collective.

Had to be done.

[DoomITP]

I thought we were an autonomous collective.

Had to be done.

for the last time mecha, we are NOT the borg!

[Falgorn]

Duh...I'm confused. I say we do the like the French, and "Laissez-faire."

[X2]

Return yourselves to the collective, comply, comply!

Resistance is futile.

[Keris]

Keris Rain, those rules are irrelevant as your comic was packed full of godmoding.

Godmoding? Dekopin is a god, remember. She is allowed to be invincible on occasion. And packed? She survived in Incarnum. That's not really packing it full of Godmoding. She didn't exactly kill anyone.

Threeshades herself, the maker of all that prophecy business, has herself agreed with Lying's plan per PM.

Did she? I don't remember that being stated. Where did she say this?

And Rule 8 is also irrelevant, as Lying clearly explained the matter beforehand,

"Nothing is canon if it is not in a comic" seems pretty clear to me. As I understand it, ABR canoncy follow this hierarchy:

• Comics
• Backstory comics
• Wiki
• Discussion thread

With the highest ranks superseding lower ranks.

and Rule 11 is not applicable as it only applies when one person makes the plan without the approval of other members.

This is mentioned nowhere in the rule itself. If you are to amend the rule, with provisos about when and where it applies, then amend it, but the rule stood as I quoted at the time my comic was made.
Why should Rule 11 only apply when one person makes a plan? I mean, if we only followed the "plans" people came up with, then the plot would have no spontaneity in it. We wouldn't have random people with their side-quests, which gave ABR the rich background it has now.

Let me add that the Rule of Funny is also irrelevant in this case, as the comic was clearly not designed with Funny in mind.

Yes actually, it was. On what basis do you claim that I intended it with a different purpose?

Plus, Keris Rain's action are clearly indented with anarchy in mind, while Lying's was done with a more oligarchic principal, which, as you know, is the first step toward democracy.

Oligarchy sounds only a step away from a dictatorship to me, while anarchy is about democratic as you can get.

I thought we were an autonomous collective.

You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--

[Fawkes]

for the last time mecha, we are NOT the borg!

YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.

[DoomITP]

Oligarchy sounds only a step away from a dictatorship to me, while anarchy is about democratic as you can get.

thats essentially what i was saying or what i was trying to say.

[Shades of Gray]

All of this incarnum stuff is really getting in the way of Oliver's heroic sacrifice.

[chriky]

I think ther's an easy way to fix this problem.

Keris and MM have a non canon fight and the persosn who gets bored of making comics first is right. That's fair and very ABR.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Godmoding? Dekopin is a god, remember. She is allowed to be invincible on occasion. And packed? She survived in Incarnum. That's not really packing it full of Godmoding. She didn't exactly kill anyone.

Did she? I don't remember that being stated. Where did she say this?

"Nothing is canon if it is not in a comic" seems pretty clear to me. As I understand it, ABR canoncy follow this hierarchy:

• Comics
• Backstory comics
• Wiki
• Discussion thread

With the highest ranks superseding lower ranks.

This is mentioned nowhere in the rule itself. If you are to amend the rule, with provisos about when and where it applies, then amend it, but the rule stood as I quoted at the time my comic was made.
Why should Rule 11 only apply when one person makes a plan? I mean, if we only followed the "plans" people came up with, then the plot would have no spontaneity in it. We wouldn't have random people with their side-quests, which gave ABR the rich background it has now.

Yes actually, it was. On what basis do you claim that I intended it with a different purpose?


Oligarchy sounds only a step away from a dictatorship to me, while anarchy is about democratic as you can get.


You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--

WHOOO! GO KERIS RAIN! TELL IT LIKE IT IS! I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID ABOUT YOU EARLER!

All of this incarnum stuff is really getting in the way of Oliver's heroic sacrifice.

Wait, dosen't Oliver lead a resistance party in the future? Why would he sacrafice himself?

[Keris]

An FFF Quickie. Because you guys arent giving me an opening.

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Just so you know, the Portal is still to the Plane of Incarnum, where none but gods and their poker buddies are known to survive. And the door is locked*. So in that way, we aren't giving you an opening.

But, there are plenty more ways for you to get a portal opened.

*The door is also magically fortified, the spells for which are powered by the boundary layer of Incarnum it sits upon.

I think ther's an easy way to fix this problem.

Keris and MM have a non canon fight and the persosn who gets bored of making comics first is right. That's fair and very ABR.

Except that I'm at an inherent disadvantage, making on average one comic a month, while MM routinely churns them out at a rate of knots.

[X2]

WHOOO! GO KERIS RAIN! TELL IT LIKE IT IS! I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID ABOUT YOU EARLER!



Wait, dosen't Oliver lead a resistance party in the future? Why would he sacrafice himself?

Can we expect Shadesworth vs. the artillery any time soon.

Also:

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EDIT: Seriously, we need to split this party in two.

[chriky]

Except that I'm at an inherent disadvantage, making on average one comic a month, while MM routinely churns them out at a rate of knots.

However it seems that the Q is also routing for you and i'm sure he'd pitch in with some comics. Also the lack of recent comics could have made youfresher and now you can shoot a load out at once.

[Shades of Gray]

[B][SIZE="4"]Wait, doesn't Oliver lead a resistance party in the future? Why would he sacrifice himself?

He doesn't know that he's going to lead a resistance part in the future. Plus he's going to be all cool and heroic and explode!

Or something.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Can we expect Shadesworth vs. the artillery any time soon.

Also:

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EDIT: Seriously, we need to split this party in two.

Yes. When I become less busy, which will be soon.

He doesn't know that he's going to lead a resistance part in the future. Plus he's going to be all cool and heroic and explode!

Or something.

Yes, but how does he lead a party when he has been sacraficed in the past?

[CrimsonAngel]

Can we expect Shadesworth vs. the artillery any time soon.

Also:

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EDIT: Seriously, we need to split this party in two.

If it matters I'de pick You, keveak, and lemming tpo fight with. (no offense to anyone else, the next to would be skimmer and falgorn's characters. Not realy sure about Q and gremlin.) I just like hangin' with spell casters.

[Lyinginbedmon]

I think it's still pretty impolite to just go ahead and have Dekopin perfectly fine after all the chatter on the inherently negative survival rate of the plane.

Gods and demigods are magic-based after all, they shouldn't be able to survive in it either. So logically Dekopin and buddies could only be in a pocket of soft Incarnum, which they'd be able to survive in but which has no atmosphere, and even then in a short amount of time they'd be disintegrated and dissolved as the heavy Incarnum moves in.

Even given that, the freaking door on the edge of the plane is pretty cheap. Significantly more plausible, because magic works on the planar shell and Dekopin as a demigod likely has the power to cover it, but cheap.

Did she? I don't remember that being stated. Where did she say this?

It was in PMs so logically there's only so much I can convince you of without Threeshades confirming it, but here we are:

Well we know Salmon & Leroy are prophetic victors, and Threeshades is a calculated victor.

Salmon can teleport Leroy ("poof") anywhere, presumably given past events Leroy retains anything he's carrying during this transport (A hat or a dummy).

We know Threeshades has some control or influence over the Shades, either by biology or heritage.

So how's this for an action plan:

Igon opens the portal to the Plane of Incarnum.

Threeshades distracts the Shades, tempting them towards the portal as best she can.

Understandably, the Shades aren't idiots. They'll fight whatever influence Threeshades produces, eventually lashing out at her, probably causing significant harm.

Then, Salmon poofs Leroy in, Leroy grabs hold of the Shades, and Salmon poofs Leroy close enough to the portal that the Shades' own momentum sends them hurtling into the portal before they can react.

Sounds reasonable. Somehow a fragment of the shades has to remain on the material plane staining threeshades

[Shades of Gray]

Simply put, he won't.

[X2]

If it matters I'de pick You, keveak, and lemming tpo fight with. (no offense to anyone else, the next to would be skimmer and falgorn's characters. Not realy sure about Q and gremlin.) I just like hangin' with spell casters.

Being that Damien and X2 are the leaders of the group, having both of them in one group would make it op. How about this:

The top row in the picture is knocked unconcious by the artiallery and captured by machinists. The bottom row is wounded and retreats to make a plan to break them out of the fortress while under constant attack from bluewings. Meanwhile top row escapes from the fortress.

[chriky]

Yes, but how does he lead a party when he has been sacraficed in the past?

I've just worked this out. He highlighted the letters ESI which I think stands for Early Symbiote Igloos. And If we take the last letters of these three words we make the new word YES. Which I think pretty much answers you Question.

[Lyinginbedmon]

Interesting little tidbit:

According to URLs, my last post was "http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6006666#post6006666"

[Shades of Gray]

Actually, I was just obnoxiously fixing Q's spelling mistakes...