Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Family

[Nameless]

I'll have a short comic fixing everything in a way that is fair to everyone ready soon.

Nameless hit Threeshades in my comic, she goes off panel.
Salmon asks: “I though you were plain shifted by Threeshades”
Nameless the replies: “I got out while you were distracted by the fight”

Not that difficult to fix really.

[Keris]

Nameless hit Threeshades in my comic, she goes off panel.
Salmon asks: “I though you were plain shifted by Threeshades”
Nameless the replies: “I got out while you were distracted by the fight”

Not that difficult to fix really.

That doesn't allow for Rand's comic.

I could try and make a comic, I'd quite like to, but MM is better, and faster at comic making than me, so I'll leave it in his hands.

[Nameless]

That doesn't allow for Rand's comic.

I could try and make a comic, I'd quite like to, but MM is better, and faster at comic making than me, so I'll leave it in his hands.

Fine, I plain shifted Threeshades.
Salmon asks: “I though you were plain shifted by Threeshades”
Nameless the replies: “I got out while you were distracted by the fight”
Then Threeshades comes back and does something wacky and extremely unexpected.

[-skimmer-]

Fine, I plain shifted Threeshades.
Salmon asks: “I though you were plain shifted by Threeshades”
Nameless the replies: “I got out while you were distracted by the fight”
Then Threeshades comes back and does something wacky and extremely unexpected.

As omnipresent being as you are, I thought you cannot be effectively reality shifted......you're just everywhere, or not?

[Nameless]

As omnipresent being as you are, I thought you cannot be effectively reality shifted......you're just everywhere, or not?

...
This is true...

EDIT:
...
This has given me an amazing idea!

[Threeshades]

Now that i think about it, reality shifting nameless is kind of pointless, since he's omnipresent

[-skimmer-]

Wow people....I thought you realize sooner why Nameless withstanded reality shift in Rands comic...

[Nameless]

Wow people....I thought you realize sooner why Nameless withstanded reality shift in Rands comic...

Yeah! It was all part of my plan you see!

[Falgorn]

MM, I must say, I absolutely love your art style. Nameless is awesome looking. Nice comic.

[Shades of Gray]

RE: Earth.

My TJH character is from an alternate timeline earth, specifically Québec. So... Yeah. Earth's gonna be in the material plane or something. Or its own plane.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Which would mean it's not part of ABR continuity and so is non-canon. Righto.

Nope. Quite in ABR continuity.

It can just affect other continuities as well, and treats everything as a different continuity.

The plot-telelporter is actually kinda important to my character's backstory, and since it's already been in the plot, I really really must object to you writing it off as "it never happened because it's stupid".

[Mina Kobold]

RE: Earth.

My TJH character is from an alternate timeline earth, specifically Québec. So... Yeah. Earth's gonna be in the material plane or something. Or its own plane.

Maybe Avbaroyis Earths alternative! Moss (TJH) is from another world too and there THE WORLD has another name (they don't use the same language either though) so it sounds plausible to me.

[Lemming]

@Keris:See? They did fix it.

Anyway, since we seem to be on a comic-making binge could someone whip up a quickie to advance the plot even further?

[-skimmer-]

Actually, part of Skimmer's backstory is on alternate Earth too......well, not exactly earth, just very similar to it...

[SinisterPenguin]

Yay! The plot's actually moving!

Now we just need someone to make a comic where the giant robot bursts through the wall and starts to fight Sinister Penguin and co. (if we're still doing that). Any takers?

[-skimmer-]

Yay! The plot's actually moving!

Now we just need someone to make a comic where the giant robot bursts through the wall and starts to fight Sinister Penguin and co. (if were still doing that). Any takers?

I'll probably do it today, just give me few hours to finish school work....

but if anybody can do it now, just do it

[Keris]

Nope. Quite in ABR continuity.

It can just affect other continuities as well, and treats everything as a different continuity.

The plot-telelporter is actually kinda important to my character's backstory, and since it's already been in the plot, I really really must object to you writing it off as "it never happened because it's stupid".

Right, let's try this with diagrams.

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Here we can see the main ABR continuity. I've left off SDSB and backstory comics, because SDSB would clutter it and I don't read most of the backstory comics, so don't know how they would fit in.

This shows what the "plotaport" would be like if it were just a time machine. Simple, but can cause paradoxes. And you maintain that it isn't time travel, but we can use this for reference later.

This is what I believe you mean the Plotaport is. It travels directly between the plots, without any movement in the x-axis, which is time in this diagram. The lower line is the same as the upper line, just shifted along in x and displaced in y. However, the shift in x should constitute time travel, as in diagram 2.

This is what I think the Plotaporter should do. It fits within your definition of continuity shift, but the orphaned Plot 3 segment has no effect on the ABR continuity as a whole. It was created by the Plotaporter as a destination, and will probably be hell of a difficult for Mechafox to work out where to archive. Not that it wasn't before.

[Shades of Gray]

Well that's a coincidence, I learned about all of that stuff just a few days ago, Keris.

So your saying that shifting plots has no relevance to the main plotline?

If we use time travel, then we can just say that the timeline branches off, the old one existing but not perceived by anyone in the new timeleine. One could travel to the other continuity, but that would require a plotaport, and thus it would be non-canon.

[-skimmer-]

Right, let's try this with diagrams.

Spoiler

Show

Here we can see the main ABR continuity. I've left off SDSB and backstory comics, because SDSB would clutter it and I don't read most of the backstory comics, so don't know how they would fit in.

This shows what the "plotaport" would be like if it were just a time machine. Simple, but can cause paradoxes. And you maintain that it isn't time travel, but we can use this for reference later.

This is what I believe you mean the Plotaport is. It travels directly between the plots, without any movement in the x-axis, which is time in this diagram. The lower line is the same as the upper line, just shifted along in x and displaced in y. However, the shift in x should constitute time travel, as in diagram 2.

This is what I think the Plotaporter should do. It fits within your definition of continuity shift, but the orphaned Plot 3 segment has no effect on the ABR continuity as a whole. It was created by the Plotaporter as a destination, and will probably be hell of a difficult for Mechafox to work out where to archive. Not that it wasn't before.

You're not quite right Keris. As Q stated, plotaporter doesn't effect time and jump only between plots, which means he can jump only to the part of plot which happens simultaneously with the plot he jumps from.......So if he jumps from FFF to P3, he can't change past much more than other participants of P3.....


edit: And also you've used inaccurate diagrams for this kind of situation....

[Omega]

Hey, are you guys still doing Random Kills?

[Bayar]

You're not quite right Keris. As Q stated, plotaporter doesn't effect time and jump only between plots, which means he can jump only to the part of plot which happens simultaneously with the plot he jumps from.......So if he jumps from FFF to P3, he can't change past much more than other participants of P3.....


edit: And also you've used inaccurate diagrams for this kind of situation....

But see, the act of simply jumping to another part of the plot changes space-time continuum. Even if it isnt time travel, the future has been iremediably modified on both the original location of the jump and the destination of the jump. Because in one universe there was a Q and now there isnt, and in another, a Q simply appears.

You have to look at this in a more abstract way.

[Shades of Gray]

Given that one of the main gods in the universe is plotus, then you can just say that it works because of his influence. He makes sure that everything works plot-wise, and tries to make it as interesting as possible.

I.e. If the plot would be cooler with a paradox, then there's a paradox. If the plot would be cooler if we ignored the paradox and went straight to action, then it is so.

[memnarch]

Right, let's try this with diagrams.

Spoiler

Show

Here we can see the main ABR continuity. I've left off SDSB and backstory comics, because SDSB would clutter it and I don't read most of the backstory comics, so don't know how they would fit in.

This shows what the "plotaport" would be like if it were just a time machine. Simple, but can cause paradoxes. And you maintain that it isn't time travel, but we can use this for reference later.

This is what I believe you mean the Plotaport is. It travels directly between the plots, without any movement in the x-axis, which is time in this diagram. The lower line is the same as the upper line, just shifted along in x and displaced in y. However, the shift in x should constitute time travel, as in diagram 2.

This is what I think the Plotaporter should do. It fits within your definition of continuity shift, but the orphaned Plot 3 segment has no effect on the ABR continuity as a whole. It was created by the Plotaporter as a destination, and will probably be hell of a difficult for Mechafox to work out where to archive. Not that it wasn't before.

The way I understand it, Q's Plotaporter teleports him through the fourth wall, essentially what your third image does, except for having them be the same universe. Parallel universish thing.

Edit; /\ even better!

[Mina Kobold]

The way I understand it, Q's Plotaporter teleports him through the fourth wall, essentially what your third image does, except for having them be the same universe. Parallel universish thing.

Edit; /\ even better!

I say he travels fifth dimensionally (fourth dimensionally is time-travel) which we can't uderstand how work.

[-skimmer-]

But see, the act of simply jumping to another part of the plot changes space-time continuum. Even if it isnt time travel, the future has been iremediably modified on both the original location of the jump and the destination of the jump. Because in one universe there was a Q and now there isnt, and in another, a Q simply appears.

Nope, there is nothing modified at all because it works only with plots.

We already know how the world will look when FFF starts, we can even tell how will FFF end. We also know how P3 started and when we have there FFF plot in the future, you can more or less tell how P3 will end.

Now there we've created two stationary and unchangeable points: The "beginning" and the "end" of plot. Given that, every action you'll do between these two points will never change the future plots at all because it always ends with "the end point of the plot"

In other words, you can't destroy the world in the P3 just because it's not destroyed in FFF.....

Thank Plotus for that...

You have to look at this in a more abstract way.

There is a clown head on it....

[T-O-E]

Capt'n Awesome's back ! As a demonic cowboy vampire space marine dual-wielding chainsaw lightsabers ! Even Randomizer cowers in his presence !

If you make him a ninja, he will be functionally omnipotent.

[memnarch]

I say he travels fifth dimensionally (fourth dimensionally is time-travel) which we can't uderstand how work.

I never said that he traveled fourth dimensionally, I said that he went through the fourth wall. You do know what the fourth wall is right? Links if you don't.

[Mina Kobold]

I never said that he traveled fourth dimensionally, I said that he went through the fourth wall. You do know what the fourth wall is right? Links if you don't.

Apparently you hasn't seen that movie (where they say that time travel is fourth dimensional travel) What I was saying is that we can't really understand stuff past third dimensional so we wouldn't need to explain how the plotaporter work if it's beyond that.

[-skimmer-]

....so we wouldn't need to explain how the plotaporter work if it's beyond that.

"From-plot-to-plot" doesn't work as proper explanation?

[The Gremlin]

If you make him a ninja, he will be functionally omnipotent.

Don't forget glowing eyes. And he should really contain a Buffy reference.