ABR Discussion Thread XXIX: Where we talk about bears....

[The Gremlin]

And it's not like it matters, anyway. We can rip off of whatever we like.

Dude, it ruins the continuity. Like, one of the big things about CoN is that it is completely unique and separate from the other plots. Ever race in it is exciting, and new, and not something that can be found elsewhere. Having such a clear rip off (not one a lawyer would go for, as it's unprovable, but don't try to deny it is one)ruins all that.

[Threeshades]

Dude, it ruins the continuity. Like, one of the big things about CoN is that it is completely unique and separate from the other plots. Ever race in it is exciting, and new, and not something that can be found elsewhere. Having such a clear rip off (not one a lawyer would go for, as it's unprovable, but don't try to deny it is one)ruins all that.

Good grief, it's just freaking horn, what's your problem?

[SinisterPenguin]

Dude, it ruins the continuity. Like, one of the big things about CoN is that it is completely unique and separate from the other plots. Ever race in it is exciting, and new, and not something that can be found elsewhere. Having such a clear rip off (not one a lawyer would go for, as it's unprovable, but don't try to deny it is one)ruins all that.

I don't see how it ruins the continuity. So there happens to be an Ogre with a horn in FFF: R. Are horns on large humanoids such a unique innovation that only CoN can use them?

And anyway, Tiff just re-used an old template of hers. What does it matter? Why not just...let it be?

[T-O-E]

It's clearly a homage. Not a rip-off.

[Mina Kobold]

Dude, it ruins the continuity. Like, one of the big things about CoN is that it is completely unique and separate from the other plots. Ever race in it is exciting, and new, and not something that can be found elsewhere. Having such a clear rip off (not one a lawyer would go for, as it's unprovable, but don't try to deny it is one)ruins all that.

Sadly that's how it always end.

Even vampires where new once but are now one of the most overused mythological creature in existence.

[T-O-E]

Ah yes, the revolutionary one-horned ogre deconstruction. Truly you are the next Tolkien and the greatest visionary of our age.

[The Gremlin]

It's clearly a homage. Not a rip-off.

No. I'm sorry, but the 'homage' ruins the continuity. A one-horned humanoid? Fine. It's annoying, but fine. That can be a homage. But give them another name. I can see that this is going to end badly already. But I am not going to risk compromising CoN's greatest strength.
What isn't comic isn't canon. So you can still change it.

[Lyinginbedmon]

I always wondered how they managed to do that before the invention of cars.

The Alarm spell?

Heck native americans used lots of water. Not that hard.

[Mina Kobold]

The Alarm spell?

Heck native americans used lots of water. Not that hard.

I meant the "stuck in traffic" part.

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It's Novaris, they don't use Alarm spells -It's a big waste of energy because, as you said, it can be done without magic-

[SinisterPenguin]

No. I'm sorry, but the 'homage' ruins the continuity. A one-horned humanoid? Fine. It's annoying, but fine. That can be a homage. But give them another name. I can see that this is going to end badly already. But I am not going to risk compromising CoN's greatest strength.
What isn't comic isn't canon. So you can still change it.

It seems pretty evident to me that no one else cares, so why not just drop it?

And anyway, as you mentioned, what isn't in a comic isn't canon. Orange shirt being an ogre is not mentioned in the comic, so it's not canon. There's nothing that needs to be changed.

[Silverraptor]

Excellent.

By the way, when are Keris and Fayte making their intros? I recall they were coordinating them.

Xart is somewhere on the airship, probably in one of the cabins with the other team good members. I left him out since he's sort of vanished since his intro comic, so I wasn't sure if he was sticking around in FFF:r or not. *shrugs*

Alright. I will be working on my character intro. But I need help. Can anyone explain Plot and Plotus (Or whatever their names are)? I have a funny gag idea involving them and my character. It's not going to affect the plot at all (Except introduce my character Victor into FFF:r)

[The Gremlin]

It seems pretty evident to me that no one else cares, so why not just drop it?

And anyway, as you mentioned, what isn't in a comic isn't canon. Orange shirt being an ogre is not mentioned in the comic, so it's not canon. There's nothing that needs to be changed.

Tiff said Orange was an ogre, which indicates she plans to mention this In-Canon. I am asking her not to.
And I am not dropping it because despite the uncaring of everybody else, I care. And given that the Ogres were my creation, I have a right to request that they not be used or imitated like this.
/\ What isn't comic isn't canon. You can go ahead and decide their personalities, as long as you keep it reasonable (and in keeping with the first comic).

[SinisterPenguin]

Tiff said Orange was an ogre, which indicates she plans to mention this In-Canon. I am asking her not to.
And I am not dropping it because despite the uncaring of everybody else, I care. And given that the Ogres were my creation, I have a right to request that they not be used or imitated like this.

While you may have worked up the basic concept, DLB is the one who created their appearance, which is what's important here, as Orange Shirt has not displayed any other similarities to CoN ogres.

[Threeshades]

Tiff said Orange was an ogre, which indicates she plans to mention this In-Canon. I am asking her not to.
And I am not dropping it because despite the uncaring of everybody else, I care. And given that the Ogres were my creation, I have a right to request that they not be used or imitated like this.
/\ What isn't comic isn't canon. You can go ahead and decide their personalities, as long as you keep it reasonable (and in keeping with the first comic).

You have the right to request anything, but you can't stop anyone from making something that is similar to something you thought up.

oh and this just by the way

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[Mina Kobold]

It seems pretty evident to me that no one else cares, so why not just drop it?

And anyway, as you mentioned, what isn't in a comic isn't canon. Orange shirt being an ogre is not mentioned in the comic, so it's not canon. There's nothing that needs to be changed.

I care, I just choose to let people do what they want as long as it doesn't do any harm. Tiffanie's ogre could have unique powers and personality so I'm waiting to be sure whether it's too much of a rip-off.

[Silverraptor]

Can someone please post reference pictures for me?

[The Gremlin]

While you may have worked up the basic concept, DLB is the one who created their appearance, which is what's important here, as Orange Shirt has not displayed any other similarities to CoN ogres.

I came up with the names, though. Ergo, if I do not want my original concept of ogres (horned smart people, and the hair is quite similarly shaded by perspective)to be imitated like this, that is my right. I like my concept and do not want it to be used in this way.

[Mina Kobold]

Can someone please post reference pictures for me?

Pictures of what to be exact?

If you speak of Plot and Plotus then here you go:

[kpenguin]

Plotus has a tail, by the way. I forgot to draw it for those pictures.

[Mina Kobold]

Before I forget it again, I was allowed to come up with ideas for Novaris animals right?

[Silverraptor]

Plotus has a tail, by the way. I forgot to draw it for those pictures.

Alright. I will start working on the intro comics. May take a while though since it's thanksgiving weekend.

[Threeshades]

Pictures of what to be exact?

If you speak of Plot and Plotus then here you go:

This here was the very first on-panel appearance of the two in ABR

[Silverraptor]

Ok, thank you.

[The Gremlin]

Before I forget it again, I was allowed to come up with ideas for Novaris animals right?

Yep! Go right ahead!

[Mina Kobold]

Yep! Go right ahead!

Will do...

When it's not in the middle of night anymore *yawn*

[Lyinginbedmon]

Okay, Lying's intro is being broken into 2-3 parts, I've just finished redesigning a character in line for the 1st part and the dialogue is all together, so expect a comic from me in the next few hours.

[Keris]

I came up with the names, though. Ergo, if I do not want my original concept of ogres (horned smart people, and the hair is quite similarly shaded by perspective)to be imitated like this, that is my right. I like my concept and do not want it to be used in this way.

Gremlin, you did not come up with the name "Ogre". Don't try and claim you did. Additionally, your concept was not "horned smart people", DLB added the horns for one thing. Your concept was:

How about ogres? Except that these ones are actually very cunning, look like very large humans with transparent hair, and they see the rest of the races as prey. They are also incompatible with magic[...]

So, while Tiff's character is an "ogre" who looks human, neither of those concepts are original to your race. We've seen no evidence that Orange is cunning, view others a prey or is incompatible with magic, and she is the same size as a human and has opaque hair, so Tiff's ogre does not match up with your concept.

FFF:R

Part 1 of Lyinginbedmon's introduction

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Huh. You changed Lying far more than I would have imagined. He's a devil now?

[kpenguin]

That's Levistus, King of the Nine.

Lying made a literal deal with the devil with him.

[Keris]

That's Levistus, King of the Nine.

Oh. I assumed that the bearded person wearing blue in Lying's introductory comic would be Lying.

Since when did Avbaroy share Greyhawk's cosmology?

Lying made a literal deal with the devil with him.

For the secret of making feather-soft mattresses!

[Lyinginbedmon]

For the secret of making feather-soft mattresses!

If by "feather-soft mattresses" you mean "hell faster than a bat" and by "making" you mean "getting out of", then yes.

Lying's deal with Levistus is also a fundamental part of why Levistus is King as well, and why Baator has no soul trade anymore.