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2010-01-07, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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[4e] Anything similar to a scout?
I haven't acquired all the 4th edition books yet, but I was just wondering if there has been any class released yet that is similar to the 3.5e Scout. Or if not, what would be the best build for one of the existing classes to replicate the basic flavor of the scout. So far I am leaning towards rogue...
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2010-01-07, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
What defines a Scout? Mobility, keen senses, possible Nature-related training. Mobility is a built-in thing for most Strikers, keen senses and outdoor survival are nothing but two skills.
Rogues are quick to react, have the Perception, Nature can be grabbed with a Background. Avengers are very mobile, are chasers by nature and use Wis primarily, which helps with the awareness. The Divine flavor may be distracting to you, though.The genius who created me only took care of my dashing good looks, my razor sharp wit and my irresistible attraction to the wrong women.
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2010-01-07, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
Well, fluff-wise a scout is really just a rogue that focuses on mobility, his sneak attack variant kicks in whenever he moves X distance in a round, movement speed is boosted via class abilities, gets nature and stealth boosts, etc. Almost like a rogue/ranger hybrid really.
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2010-01-07, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
The Ranger is generally accepted to be the closest you're going to get to a Scout.
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2010-01-07, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
There is the Seeker also, a primal ranged controller
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2010-01-07, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
From what I've seen*, a barbarian will be pretty similar. What I liked about scouts was that they were mobile warriors. They moved around and got bonuses to damage. Barbarians do that in reverse but the effect is the same. Barbarians get extra movement or attacks when they hit stuff. And they even keep the naturey fluff.
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2010-01-07, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
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2010-01-07, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
Yeah, looking through the book now that is true. Guess the scout is going to be converted into a ranger. It's only a lvl 2 character anyway, not like he loses anything big.
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2010-01-07, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
Precision damage that triggers with movement is very 3.5-specific for a Scout, which is a party role taken long before the base class came out. But you're right,
Come to think of it, precision damage doesn't exist in 4.0, just bonus damage. The Ranger gets all the things you want; great Perception, Nature, bonus damage, mobility.The genius who created me only took care of my dashing good looks, my razor sharp wit and my irresistible attraction to the wrong women.
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2010-01-07, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-07, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-07, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
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2010-01-07, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
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2010-01-07, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-07, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
It's been a while since I've seen a barbarian throw a halfling sorcerer :3 To bad the 4e system frowns upon that...
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2010-01-07, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-07, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
Rogue isn't a bad choice as a Scout substitute. I could see this working one of two ways:
1) Switch precision damage in place of the Rogue's sneak attack. (That is, instead of the extra damage from having CA, get the extra damage from moving before striking.)
2) Make Scout a paragon path for the Rogue, with the added benefit of getting sneak attack damage if you have CA or if you move so much before attacking.
Pick your preference. I'm a fan of refluffing/making minor substitutions in 4e; the power system works well for that.Halbert's Cubicle - Wherein I write about gaming and . . . you know . . . stuff.
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2010-01-07, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-07, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-07, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
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2010-01-07, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
The funny thing about the ranger is that unless you're planning on going to the battlefield archer PrC, your ranger archers are better off being beastmasters or twf's, as far as the particular ranger paths go.
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2010-01-07, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
Assasin is another one that could be a nice substitute for the scout, they get extra damage (although not based on movement) and they are sneaky.
I have to give Paizo credit...
They took an established work and said they fixed it but didn't actually fix it and yet still made money off from it.
How can you beat that?
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2010-01-07, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [4e] Anything similar to a scout?
Maybe you could rework Hunter's Quarry into something that acts more like Skirmish with your DM.