ABR Discussion Thread XXXII - Imperfectly Rebooted

[Fay Graydon]

more like 0.0000001% but fortunately this universe isnt utterly without fantasy elements, so stop bothering. If fay wants boring human looking aliens, let her have boring human looking aliens. Be glad they're not awesome giagantic indestructible tentacle monster aliens.

Hmmmmmmm
XD Well I WAS toying with the Idea of Creating a Character of one of the Races from Fayte's homeworld... but Had no idea how they would have ended up on Avboroy.

[Mad Mask]

Hmmmmmmm
XD Well I WAS toying with the Idea of Creating a Character of one of the Races from Fayte's homeworld... but Had no idea how they would have ended up on Avboroy.

I have no idea either, the coincidence of both Fayt and him being on the same planets are very, very big... unless you go with the "alternate universe" idea, which can easily explain it by saying they came back with the TJH team.

Why do you want them to be aliens, by the way? They could easily be humans in an alternate universe or humans transplanted on another planet without any changes whatsoever to your ideas.

EDIT: And please stop capitalising random words in the middle of the sentence... this isn't German, as far as I know it.

[Fay Graydon]

Why do you want them to be aliens, by the way? They could easily be humans in an alternate universe or humans transplanted on another planet without any changes whatsoever to your ideas.

It's a matter of principles... the main one being thus:
Tis my backstory with my characters.
And that I don't have to change my views on things to suit others >.>

I mean, I could say that the human's on Avboroy are the ones transplanted.
But all an Alien really is, is something that isnt considered "normal" which is why some foreigners are considered to be "Alien" in some countries.

EDIT:
WhY doN't YOU make mE?

[The Gremlin]

And that I don't have to change my views on things to suit others >.>

Can you please stop acting like we're the big, bad tyrants who are trying to infringe on your freedom?

[Green-Shirt Q]

I don't really get the whole "aliens frowned upon" thing. Both Qs are alien and so is Nath Bortak (another character I plan to re-introduce into Fi for those who may not know) and so far there's been no problems.

[The Gremlin]

I don't really get the whole "aliens frowned upon" thing. Both Qs are alien and so is Nath Bortak (another character I plan to re-introduce into Fi for those who may not know) and so far there's been no problems.

Hmm? What 'aliens frowned upon' thing?

[Green-Shirt Q]

Hmm? What 'aliens frowned upon' thing?

...I remember a little while ago an arguement Fayte and Mask had over aliens in FI, and what the rules should be around them. based on what was being siad, I suppose I guessed it started up again.

[The Gremlin]

...I remember a little while ago an arguement Fayte and Mask had over aliens in FI, and what the rules should be around them. based on what was being siad, I suppose I guessed it started up again.

Um, no. We're just talking about Fayte's characters and how it seems unnecessarily implausible for them to be aliens from another planet, since they're identical to humans. It would make more sense for them to be from another dimension.

[Threeshades]

Um, no. We're just talking about Fayte's characters and how it seems unnecessarily implausible for them to be aliens from another planet, since they're identical to humans. It would make more sense for them to be from another dimension.

This is just priceless. Being from another dimension just got more plausible than being an alien that looks like a human.

[Kumo]

It could just be like a very very small number and a microscope
so like the dice rolls underneith it...





....I'm confused

The ink would bleed together making it a bunch of tiny white spots.

Weren't the Q's from the Qinverse or something? Also: both of my characters are from an alternate dimension.

[Mad Mask]

This is just priceless. Being from another dimension just got more plausible than being an alien that looks like a human.

Alternate realities (not dimension, it's the wrong term) are a proven reality in Avbaroy's universe. Humans independently evolving on another planet are still as impossible as they are in the real world. Just because there are dragons doesn't mean there's gotta be unicorns, you know.

[The Gremlin]

The ink would bleed together making it a bunch of tiny white spots.

Depends on how you do it. What if you scratched the numbers in? With a sufficiently small knife and good enough technology, it's perfectly possible.

[CrimsonAngel]

Can he gaurd something important later on?

[The Gremlin]

Can he gaurd something important later on?

What is it with you and skulls, CA?

[CrimsonAngel]

Thay're spooky and shamaney.

Wait, I can only think of 2 instances i've used them.

[The Gremlin]

Thay're spooky and shamaney.

Wait, I can only think of 2 instances i've used them.

Sure. Now, take a look at the other ABR characters. How many of them wear skulls?

[CrimsonAngel]

I can't think of any.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Weren't the Q's from the Qinverse or something?

The Q Continuum. But still, I guess it doesn't really apply to the debate.

Alternate realities (not dimension, it's the wrong term) are a proven reality in Avbaroy's universe. Humans independently evolving on another planet are still as impossible as they are in the real world.

Except on Distantous, the planet which My Name Is Q and Smooth Moves are set on. Humans, as well as a whole bunch of other species shared with Avbaroy, have evolved there. So it IS possible.

Although I haven't decided if they actually did evolve independently or whether there might actually be a shared history somehow. But still, 50-50 chance that it has already been proven in the ABR canon.

[The Gremlin]

I can't think of any.

Now, follow that to it's logical conclusion, as follows:
1. You are the ony one to use skulls so much.
2. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
3. ???
4. That'll be fifty dollars, plus tax, for my expert council.

Wait, didn't humans come to Avbaroy from elsewhere? Or is that Golarion I'm thinking of.

[CrimsonAngel]

So one random kill person I just converted to oots from my DDO character and a lizard shaman make me skull crazy.

[The Gremlin]

So one random kill person I just converted to oots from my DDO character and a lizard shaman make me skull crazy.

I reserve the right to ONE video game hating argument here, since DLB bugged me about Runescape a while ago.
If that's Stormreach you speak of, then get out NOW. That game is one of the worst things I've come across since a certain book about vampires. It's lousy, doesn't work on Linux, and is owned by Hasbro. It also rips off the game that ripped off original D&D, which shows you that the creators really don't care about it.

[Kumo]

Alternate realities (not dimension, it's the wrong term) are a proven reality in Avbaroy's universe. Humans independently evolving on another planet are still as impossible as they are in the real world. Just because there are dragons doesn't mean there's gotta be unicorns, you know.

1.There are gods. 'Nuff said
2. It's not impossible, Mask, and you know it.
3. Assuming hospitable worlds are more common in ABR's universe (which as far as we know is at least 3:1), it's actually MORE likely.
4. The human body is fairly useful for civilizations. even if the body isn't 100% human it can still be close enough for any differences to be unnoticeable (particularly since it's a stick figure).

[The Gremlin]

1.There are gods. 'Nuff said
2. It's not impossible, Mask, and you know it.
3. Assuming hospitable worlds are more common in ABR's universe (which as far as we know is at least 3:1), it's actually MORE likely.
4. The human body is fairly useful for civilizations. even if the body isn't 100% human it can still be close enough for any differences to be unnoticeable (particularly since it's a stick figure).

1. Fair enough.
2. He didn't say it was impossible, he just said it was as impossible as it is here. It ain't impossible here, but it's close, so that's the same in Avbaroy.
3. No, they aren't. The aliens we see are all just more advanced and therefore capable of space travel. Aliens in real life clearly are not.
4. Fayte said that his humans were identical to Avbaroy humans, and I already went over this. They wouldn't look the same if there were any real differences.

[Mad Mask]

1.There are gods. 'Nuff said
2. It's not impossible, Mask, and you know it.
3. Assuming hospitable worlds are more common in ABR's universe (which as far as we know is at least 3:1), it's actually MORE likely.
4. The human body is fairly useful for civilizations. even if the body isn't 100% human it can still be close enough for any differences to be unnoticeable (particularly since it's a stick figure).

1. So? Avbaroy gods are ascended humans, and they can't reach beyond that planet, while the universal overgods simply do not care.
2. Maybe not theoretically, but practically it is.
3. What?
4. That's not true, humans are a ridiculously inefficient body plan that is the result of millions of years of a chain of improbable accidents and coincidences. I could draw up over a dozen designs that are far better than the human body for civilisation. For an example, look at dragonflies and raptors: they're made for about the same thing but they're radically different. For an alien species, I expect the difference to be even greater.

[Kumo]

1. So? Avbaroy gods are ascended humans, and they can't reach beyond that planet, while the universal overgods simply do not care.
2. Maybe not theoretically, but practically it is.
3. What?
4. That's not true, humans are a ridiculously inefficient body plan that is the result of millions of years of a chain of improbable accidents and coincidences. I could draw up over a dozen designs that are far better than the human body for civilisation. For an example, look at dragonflies and raptors: they're made for about the same thing but they're radically different. For an alien species, I expect the difference to be even greater.

1. Evidently somebody gave a crap at some point or humans wouldn't be there, period. Not caring anymore is not the same as never caring.
2. It's impossible practically because the number of planets that can support life in this universe is, as far as we know, extremely low one. That's not the case in Avbaroy.
3. (Q Continuum(Sp?)+Avbaroy+Sovice-world-whose-name escapes-me+ X amount of planets sovices terrorized) is the three, one earth is the one.
4. I said 'fairly useful' not 'the ultimate in civilization producing species'

1. Fair enough.
2. He didn't say it was impossible, he just said it was as impossible as it is here. It ain't impossible here, but it's close, so that's the same in Avbaroy.
3. No, they aren't. The aliens we see are all just more advanced and therefore capable of space travel. Aliens in real life clearly are not.
4. Fayte said that his humans were identical to Avbaroy humans, and I already went over this. They wouldn't look the same if there were any real differences.

2. Wrong, see above.
3. I don't see how you can clearly tell something about something that isn't very clear to exist, period >.> Also, YES, hospitable worlds are more common in avbaroy's world (from what we know of both, anyway) so YES, life is more likely.
4. What on EARTH did that have to do with what i said?

[The Gremlin]

1. Evidently somebody gave a crap at some point or humans wouldn't be there, period. Not caring anymore is not the same as never caring.
2. It's impossible practically because the number of planets that can support life in this universe is, as far as we know, extremely low. That's not the case in Avbaroy.
3. (Q Continuum(Sp?)+Avbaroy+Sovice-world-whose-name escapes-me+ X amount of planets sovices terrorized) is the three, one earth is the one.
4. I said 'fairly useful' not 'the ultimate in civilization producing species'

1. Humans evolved. I expect the Overgods just created a few basic life forms.
2. I cry dog and--ah, forget it. Avbaroy has the same amount of life-sustaining planets as we do, their inhabitants just are better at making their presence known. If you paid attention to me, you'd see I already explained this.
3. Redundant.
4. Yeah, but if they aren't perfect, then what are the odds of them cropping up again?

Again now:
2. You aren't paying attention, and I lack the time to explain it.
3. Okay, now you're just being ridiculous. I keep telling you that NO, Avbaroy's universe has no more sustainable planets than we do. DOn't you pay attention?
It does, but again you aren't paying attention.

[CrimsonAngel]

So can my lizard gaurd a key?

[Kumo]

1. Humans evolved. I expect the Overgods just created a few basic life forms.
2. I cry dog and--ah, forget it. Avbaroy has the same amount of life-sustaining planets as we do, their inhabitants just are better at making their presence known. If you paid attention to me, you'd see I already explained this.
3. Redundant.
4. Yeah, but if they aren't perfect, then what are the odds of them cropping up again?

2. ... We know of exactly ONE planet capable of supporting life in our galaxy. Avbaroy's got at least three - actually more than that.
4. Pretty good, actually, considering alien species don't start out perfect and it's been shown to occur at least once (actually twice, if you include Janni)

Again now:
2. You aren't paying attention, and I lack the time to explain it.
3. Okay, now you're just being ridiculous. I keep telling you that NO, Avbaroy's universe has no more sustainable planets than we do. DOn't you pay attention?
It does, but again you aren't paying attention.

3. I AM, you just aren't making any sense.

[The Gremlin]

That's it. Last time, from the top. Just because we have found no planets in our universe--not galaxy--capable of sustaining life other than Earth doesn't mean there are none.
Avbaroy's aliens have excellent technology and communicate well with Avbaroyians, which is why we know of more planets. Who says they're anywhere near Avbaroy, relatively speaking? Nobody except you.

[Kumo]

That's it. Last time, from the top. Just because we have found no planets in our universe--not galaxy--capable of sustaining life other than Earth doesn't mean there are none.
Avbaroy's aliens have excellent technology and communicate well with Avbaroyians, which is why we know of more planets. Who says they're anywhere near Avbaroy, relatively speaking? Nobody except you.

Which is why i kept including the phrase 'as far as we know'. Obviously, there might be more, and in fact there probably are. But if you don't have info either confirming or denying, you do without.

'Galaxy wide' is hardly near.

EDIT: Also, i went back and looked, you state the idea that Avbaroy and our universe have equal livable planetrs as an ironclad fact when we do not, in actuality, know this. At all.