ACRONYM OOC XIV: Can we talk?

[happyturtle]

This lulz is for Kris:

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[Ashen Lilies]

Har har.
No uprisings planned for the near future though. Plans for civil unrest of any sort have been driven away by the depressing realism of recent events close to home.

[happyturtle]

Depressing realism is depressing. And realistic.

Clearly you must cope with this by posting in a thread that specializes in entertaining illusions.

Also... omg my trip to the US is in less than a month! *runs around in circles flailing*

[horngeek]

Depressing realism is depressing. And realistic.

Clearly you must cope with this by posting in a thread that specializes in entertaining illusions.

Also... omg my trip to the US is in less than a month! *runs around in circles flailing*

Wait, where do you live again?

@KK: I assume you don't like in Bangkok itself, what with you still having access to internets?

[Ashen Lilies]

No I don't, fortunately.

Also, I has no idea what to do. Lilandra is quite content to let them kill each other, as long as they don't involve other customers, and refrain from getting blood on the furniture.

[Quinsar]

Hey.
Town stuff.
In order to stimulate the Town it's becoming more independent and it's own place.
We've been talking, and thought something like this would be good for both places;
Town will become its own city in the world. Inside will be another, completely separate city in the same world. Everything between not described by a thread would be Outside. The Town is run by an elected government while Inside is run by the Empire. People can move freely between the two, and each place would have its own tag. [Town] [ACRO] [Inside] Whatever.
What do you guys think?

[happyturtle]

Sounds reasonable to me. The main difficulty will be in getting the old timers who keep calling Inside 'Town' to go along with it. Not that I expect them to object so much as not notice.

1. Would Trog's still be a point where one can pass freely between the two cities? (via portal?)

2. What about the Eternal Library, which Drifter has said is in Town, but has been in the Inside thread?

3. Assuming it's outside the territory of the Acro-Imperium, it would probably be a fair distance on foot between the two cities. Perhaps there should be a river route between them to speed up the journey? Though that only speeds it up in one direction.

4. If Town is in the same universe as Acro and Inside, then we'd need to decide on a [tag] to use to differentiate it from the other universes. It'd be the stuff outside the [ ]'s that would show whether it was Town or Inside or GLoG or whatever. Right?

[Quinsar]

I think Tags would be like;
[Nexus-Town]
Or [Nexus-Inside]

How about they're across a large body of water from each other, like an ocean, and one coast of the ocean is Empire controlled while the other is Town controlled?



Trog's would still be between the two, since both sides use it a lot.

And Drifter could decide where he wanted it to be, or, it could be halfway between, like Trog's...

[Morty]

I think you're making it needlessly complicated, but whatever floats your boat. I've no preference this way or another.

[happyturtle]

The problem with Trog's being on the border between the two is that it's been established as being right in the middle of the city of Inside. Though if it somehow magically co-exists in both places, so that you can enter it from Inside and exit into Town, that would still work. But I'm pretty sure the border of the Imperium doesn't cross through the city limits.

What if we envision the coast as a C shape, with the two cities on either end of the C? There could be a regular ferry service that gets you across quickly by water, or you could take the longer land route?

[Quinsar]

Okay, so they'd be on either side of a large bay... Not that it really matters, just fluff but okay.
They're probably connected by all sort of portals too. And air travel.

[Morty]

In other news, I'm considering a character idea, which doesn't happen very often. Right now, all I know is that the character would be a cossack. However, since I really don't know all that much about Cossacks and Ukraine in general, I'm afraid he'd turn out as a walking stereotype.

[Lord Magtok]

I think you're making it needlessly complicated.

Agreed. The two places are already sharing a universe or something, and separate. What does this do for anyone, besides provide some meaningless fluff that'll only serve to confuse newbies when they hear several different and conflicting explanations on where Town and Acro and Inside begin and end?

[ApeofLight]

What it is basically is that Town and Inside are being reinforced as two different places under two different Governments.

Also Trog's could be a slippy place where when you open the door it could either be going to Inside or outside. Basically Trog's would be a pocket dimension with a way to get there from both Town and Inside.

[horngeek]

To be honest, I'd find it a bit complicated. And would probably just either ignore Town, or just continue treating them as the same city.

[EleventhHour]

I think you're making it needlessly complicated, but whatever floats your boat.

Another one up on this one. Hardly anyone bothers recognizing the difference, and the two are already as seperate as they need to be. Town doesn't have to be involved in ACRO events, and ACRO isn't involved in Town events. Adding more to how it works is just making it more of a mess.

[Darkcomet]

Well well well, what have we here? As the main person in control of the Empire, I feel I should weigh in on a few things.

1. On Mergers-I personally had always assumed them to be separate cities in the same universe or something thanks to Town having its own government and all that. I am very against dividing Inside up between the two.

2. On Territory: I have the Acro-Imperial Territory thread specifically for anyone who wants to visit Acro-Imperial holdings. Also for Empire stuff located outside Inside (I loathe using those words together...) itself. I currently treat anything in Outside as being just that: Outside Imperial territory.

3. On Governments: The Empire's been going through some changes itself, actually. Working on a democratically elected council for an executive government via finding players actually interested in it rather than OOC elections. I want to keep the IC government IC rather than any single player having total control over the place (no offense to Town's mayor system meant, it's just one concern I've noticed multiple times over the time I've been running the thing).

4. I concur with the concerns of it being overly complicated. >.>

[Quinsar]

Yeah...
How about they're just two cities inside the same world?
No explanation exactly where they are or anything, just that Inside is one city, Town is one city, and Outside is everything in between not contained in another thread.

[The Bushranger]

...how about things stay as they are?

Or maybe I shouldn't think about this when I feel like death warmed over. I hate allergies.

[horngeek]

Check HALO if you want to feel better.

[The Bushranger]

^_^.......

[Bergett]

Well pretty much what we'd be doing is having Town and ACRO exactly as they are... It's just official that they are "Connected" (meaning they're both in the Nexus).

How you get in between the two cities probably doesn't matter.
If anyone really cares we'll figure it out, but I think that's something to be figured out later.

I always just imagined Inside to be just the urban area that exists in the Nexus that also happens to be controlled by the Empire (never really affected me my characters usually don't get that noticed for the empire to care).

Kinda like what DC is probably splitting up Inside would be kinda of pain (which is why we'd dig out the old Town Streets thread or something, I don't know).

Still being the IC mayor of Town I guess I'd have to do something (yay I get to play Kowalski!!!) Then we'd vote again later or whatever.

But as for the overall concept I think we just want to make it clear that ACRO should merge with Town once again, as two separate cities with their own governments with an undetermined amount of space between the two that can traveled instantly unless you want to care or something.
It would be nice to have a real IC reason, but like I said earlier maybe another day.

So yeah....
Yeah...

[Boo]

Yo dawgs! I heard y'all like castles in yo'r taverns, so I put a castle in your tavern so you can sit in a castle while sittin' in a tavern!

[Darkcomet]

I see no real issue with that. My main concern is that one of the two is likely to die off, in my opinion. And due to the lesser number of players, as far as I can tell, that one's Town.

The main physical concepts, as far as I can tell, of Town and Inside are one and the same. Something along the lines of an intersection of worlds where you can drag most anything in (other than instant-world-ending stuff, since that'd just ruin it for everyone...). I don't think the two differing governments alone are going to offer that much differing appeal, honestly. >.> One will be its own collection of players, and the other much the same, just as it has always been.

My opinion is that there needs to be something legitimately different other than just the governments if the two are to remain separate and both are to have their own separate appeals to newer players 'n such.

That's...about my only concern. Otherwise there is no issue with the two being separate in that fashion.

[Bergett]

Yes you do have some valid points there which is why I'm sure Quin has a plan.

He always does.

...Right Quin?

[horngeek]

...really, I have nothing. Or rather, the only thing I have would change large parts of the entire Nexus setting.

Basically, have Inside and Town having hostile relationships. Maybe Inside goes more for the pure tech, and Town goes more for magical stuff.

But the two generally have high tensions with each other, when they aren't actively at war. Apart from that...

[Darkcomet]

Well, I personally am not sure I like the idea of a permanent war situation...Have been kinda worried about that ever since all the international politics started popping up. =/

[celtois]

Thank you DC you expressed what I wanted to say, but couldn't find the words too.

I suspect that unless Town has some draw over Acro is is likely to die off, and while I like the idea of Quin's project it still really doesn't leave a lot of distinction between the two.

The original dealio was that town was you know a town, and Acro was a lose amalgamation of organizations, which left a large gap, at this point that has basically disappeared, and while there are still organizations the old feel of acro is gone. Basically acro has become more like the town was.

Unless the town adapts/changes in some way I personally don't even know why we keep them separate. It's not that I don't like the town it's just that I feel that the two aren't any different and it would make it a larger community and this more active

[Terumitsu]

Hmm. Been reading though all this and I don't see any point in driving the wedge between Town and Acro at all as they pretty much are the same thing... As stated by many of those before me here.

Though, and this is just a thought, I think it would be kinda nifty to just hit the Reset button and see what happens. Just call the place The Nexus and such. and by reset button. I mean this ENTIRE subforum.

It's just a thought experement, though. Something interesting to ponder.

Though really, as long as there is a place for me to play my characters as they are, I think I will be there reguardless of what or where it is or what it is called.

[horngeek]

Though, and this is just a thought, I think it would be kinda nifty to just hit the Reset button and see what happens. Just call the place The Nexus and such. and by reset button. I mean this ENTIRE subforum.

I, as well as all the other animeITP players, would say no to resetting the entire subforum.

Quite vehemently. Reset Town and ACRO into the Nexus? Maybe. But a lot of people have quite developed characters, so I don't think you'll get much support for that either.