BleachITP Reborn: Discussion & Setup Thread 6

[CMOTDibbler]

You know. I'm not sure. I just thought I'd ask before I change to name on the character.

[The Librarian]

Well, as has been said, we don't NEED all the spots filled. In fact, it's useful to have them not all filled- either they just aren't filled, or they're 'not yet revealed'. As decided by whoever DOES end up taking the positions.

Okay, didn't know exactly what we were doing with that.

[Frozen_Feet]

I just listened to Amorphis's Skyforger album first time in a long while. However, as I had BleachITP and the recent "omake" roleplaying fresh in mind, I made some interesting connections between the songs and our RP.

Ryouichi and Kazuo, your plans for a perfect robot girlfriend are doomed to failure. Funny how even centuries ago people though that a robot girl simply can't replace the real stuff. (The song's based on ancient finnish myths about Seppo Ilmarinen, a legendary artificer and titular Skyforger.)

This is Taiki's worst nightmare, and maybe something that happened to him in the past.

This song fits Elder like a glove. Okay, so it didn't literally forge the sky, but it would be completely in-character for it to claim credit. It's also a great metaphor for its life as a hollow.

This one is for Emet, and to lesser extent, for Hannibal. The song is based on ancient Finnish myths of the birth of iron, if you don't get why.

[Draken]

No he does not meet any of the description of a Tsukumogami, and he is dead. He is in Soul society.

It is one of my biggest worryings that in making Erima as a character that other people would also want to make 'Tsukumogami,' but I am very much opposed to making more 'factions' especially since already I am concerned Erima crosses the description of 'What is Bleach.'

It is never my intention for 'Tsukumogami' to describe like 'Shinigami' or 'Bount.' I hoped very much it was a 'one case' time.

I do not know enough of the culture to compare, but from what I know, Emet's backstory seens to fit the description or something similar at least. He was originally a spirit who lived within objects, but at some point he was sent on to Soul Society.

So he is, perhaps, no longer a tsukumogami, but from the information I have I am inclined to say that at one point he was.

Also, do note that classification by 'species' does not necessarily entail faction. It is just an easy descriptive grouping. A faction only appears when it is explicitly described, with overreaching goals that its members follow.

[horngeek]

What Draken Said, basically.

And don't worry, I think he'll be the only one.

Yeah, I'm scrapping the 'suit of armor' idea.

[Kasanip]

I do not know enough of the culture to compare, but from what I know, Emet's backstory seems to fit the description or something similar at least. He was originally a spirit who lived within objects, but at some point he was sent on to Soul Society.

So he is, perhaps, no longer a tsukumogami, but from the information I have I am inclined to say that at one point he was.

Also, do note that classification by 'species' does not necessarily entail faction. It is just an easy descriptive grouping. A faction only appears when it is explicitly described, with overreaching goals that its members follow.

I am sorry if this seems rude Draken, but I do not agree. I don't know Emet's culture, but I know tsukumogami culture.

I must disagree perhaps of the same level as KD and Sucrose did with Boo.

I have seen nothing in Emet's description when reviewing him that makes me think 'Tsukumogami.' It is the opposite - seemingly a spirit that possesses objects of many kinds. Edge even says very clearly

It is unclear whether Emet’s previous life really was a life. He was certainly a ghost in the shell, but whether that makes him a soul or not is still a subject of some debate.

He is always described as being within an object and it moved from object to object.

You even say this:

He was originally a spirit who lived within objects,

This is not a Tsukumogami. a Tsukumogami is one object that is alive. And to become alive it has several conditions of importance, some of these rules are directly broken in Emet's history.

It is like one suggesting to me that we should call Tengu "Angels" because they seem to have wings too. It is not true.

My problem with this is perhaps I think viewed as a reaction to the thought like what you describe. It is an attempt to categorize a 'Spiritual Anomaly' into another way which does not work, and which creates trouble for me. I do not understand why "Spiritual Anomaly" cannot describe Emet. There are several characters within such a group. I really don't want 'Tsukumogami' to become a group.

There is no reason to describe him as a 'Tsukumogami' and many reasons why him should not be.

I would have maybe skipped your post except I saw my name:

kasanip gave us a good word to call what he is. He is a tsukumogami, the spirit of an object. His background complies to this fact.

I did not say anything to you or Edge of this kind. Not in PM, and not in OOC. I do not believe Emet is one, so why would I say such a thing? (and I did not). So I have to try to very clearly say what I think of it.

[nothingclever]

I did not say anything to you or Edge of this kind. Not in PM, and not in OOC. I do not believe Emet is one, so why would I say such a thing? (and I did not). So I have to try to very clearly say what I think of it.

He's not saying you literally told him that. He meant he was assuming the word you used would also fit in this situation because of similarities. I am largely certain that he isn't trying to frame you.

[Draken]

>_>

Ok. So my understanding of what a Tsukumogami is has been proved wrong. A simple misconception.

I did not say anything to you or Edge of this kind. Not in PM, and not in OOC. I do not believe Emet is one, so why would I say such a thing? (and I did not). So I have to try to very clearly say what I think of it.

Also, that last line did not refer to something specific, it was just a figure of language meaning that your writeup of a tsukumogami character gave a description that allowed me to transpose the meaning.

Simply put. You described what a tsukumogami is, and I (erroneously) thought it applied to Emet's situation. Which now I see is not the case.

So I will withdraw my wrong assumption. Emet is not a tsukumogami, just... Some sort of haunting object soul.

[Prime32]

So I will withdraw my wrong assumption. Emet is not a tsukumogami, just... Some sort of haunting object soul.

Could he have been born from a stray emotion or desire which became separate from another spirit?

[Draken]

Could he have been born from a stray emotion or desire which became separate from another spirit?

No idea. Edge's character.

[Kasanip]

>_>

Ok. So my understanding of what a Tsukumogami is has been proved wrong. A simple misconception.



Also, that last line did not refer to something specific, it was just a figure of language meaning that your writeup of a tsukumogami character gave a description that allowed me to transpose the meaning.

Simply put. You described what a tsukumogami is, and I (erroneously) thought it applied to Emet's situation. Which now I see is not the case.

So I will withdraw my wrong assumption. Emet is not a tsukumogami, just... Some sort of haunting object soul.

Thank you Draken. I also apologize for making misunderstanding of your saying. m(_ _)m

[Edge]

Could he have been born from a stray emotion or desire which became separate from another spirit?

This is the basic idea behind him. He was born and strengthened by the importance assigned to the objects he inhabited.


@F_F: Don't know if I'll use your suggested song for Emet, but I do like it. I suppose at the very least it would be a less well-known substitute for Sabbath's Iron Man.

[riccaru]

See this... This right here? Yeah THIS is how discussions over disagreements should go. Not take up a dozen pages. (Not singling anyone out) But...Yeah.

[Innis Cabal]

See this... This right here? Yeah THIS is how discussions over disagreements should go. Not take up a dozen pages. (Not singling anyone out) But...Yeah.

See this? This is exactly how you shouldn't go about pointing it out. More so the bringing up of things that have been settled for no particular reason than to do it.

[KnightDisciple]

See this... This right here? Yeah THIS is how discussions over disagreements should go. Not take up a dozen pages. (Not singling anyone out) But...Yeah.

This statement is such a broad generalization and vague indictment of those involved in a previous discussion as to be essentially meaningless. It doesn't at all take into account the wildly different factors involved here.

[Edge]

And would appear to threaten to incite another such discussion.

Anyway.

Um...


Fraccion for Aléjandro? Anyone?

[Innis Cabal]

Fraccion for Aléjandro? Anyone?

No fraccion for you!

[Edge]

Butbutbut!


Aww...

[riccaru]

Like I said, not singling any group of people, or even discussion, out. Because there have been a few that lasted longer than necessary. Everything seems to be solved at this point though. (Or well on its way to being solved) So no need to stir up the waters... Sorry for that

[Innis Cabal]

Butbutbut!


Aww...

You know what you did.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Like I said, not singling any group of people, or even discussion, out. Because there have been a few that lasted longer than necessary. Everything seems to be solved at this point though. (Or well on its way to being solved) So no need to stir up the waters... Sorry for that

For goodness sake man! Just close yer trap before you spawn an argument with your pointing out of how arguments should go! Quiet!

[KnightDisciple]

And would appear to threaten to incite another such discussion.

Anyway.

Um...


Fraccion for Aléjandro? Anyone?

Part of me wants to help.

But part of me isn't sure if I could make a good villain. I don't feel like I did a very good job at "villain building" with Noriko.

I'm also not sure if I want to have more characters.

[Edge]

Part of me wants to help.

But part of me isn't sure if I could make a good villain. I don't feel like I did a very good job at "villain building" with Noriko.

I'm also not sure if I want to have more characters.

From what I've observed of the actions of your characters and yourself through OOC debates and arguments, KD, you could make an excellent villain character.

Said character would just have to have an inverted, or nearly so, version of your morality.

Whether you're comfortable with that is another matter entirely.

[KnightDisciple]

From what I've observed of the actions of your characters and yourself through OOC debates and arguments, KD, you could make an excellent villain character.

Said character would just have to have an inverted, or nearly so, version of your morality.

Whether you're comfortable with that is another matter entirely.

Hm. Want to PM a bit to toss ideas around?

[Edge]

Sure. Fire away.

[Steilos]

@Edge: I spose Apolinar, like you originally suggested, would fit the bill. I'm currently reading through the list of Espada, seeing where he would fit in.

[riccaru]

I still want Lars as mine if he's interested. ^_^

[Steilos]

You know what, I'll just let Apolinar be the fraccion of whoever wants him first, as the decision really rests with them.

[riccaru]

Steilos, just figure out which espada your character would be most like, then ask them. Everyone's really chomping at the bit for fraccion, so you really have your choice.

[Frozen_Feet]

I think it's pretty much agreed he Alejandro's. Look, I'll give you hand and put him in that place in the registry.