Optimize or Die, Playgrounders! [E6 Balor Challenge Thread]

[JeminiZero]

Alright, I've added Initiative boosters and all. Take a look through it and let me know if anything else is needed.

[jseah]

Is there any way to get a Gate to summon my target? Even through a one-use ritual?
I saw this and maybe this is a E6 mechanic of some sort?

The problem is that 4th+ level spells take 20 wizards and 3 days to cast so you can't activate them as a scroll.

Or can I buy a Candle of Invocation? I'm using it the "intended" way after all. XD

If Gate is completely banned, I'll like to withdraw my suggestion.

The other three guys won't be completely useless. Most like, two of them will buff the summoner's Cha-Check through the roof and use belt of battle to debuff the Balor's cha-check. The last guy is just a DPS guy to do the actual killing.

[Eronai_Jantig]

My post was updated, might still need a few tweaks here and there if a challenge is issued, but I think you get the idea of the build well enough now.

[lord_khaine]

I must say im impressed at how many different ways people found to slay a balor with such lowlevel people, and under all these restrictions.

[Ingus]

I must say im impressed at how many different ways people found to slay a balor with such lowlevel people, and under all these restrictions.

The Balor is a Max-minned monster. Having a ridiculously poor contact armor class and not being immune to mind effecting spells are two major weakness. Come on, any sensible PC from 15th level is mind-blanked.

[true_shinken]

I must say im impressed at how many different ways people found to slay a balor with such lowlevel people, and under all these restrictions.

Except those tricks rely on magical items you normally can't get on e6.

[Tyndmyr]

Except those tricks rely on magical items you normally can't get on e6.

Not all of them.

Mine used no items the party couldn't make for itself. It relies on first and second level wands, primarily. I didn't even touch most of the money.

Basically, if you can go first/are immune to everything he can toss out, and have enough damage to down him, you're golden. Given 35 feats per character, dealing a reliable 280 damage in a round isn't that ridiculous.

[Human Paragon 3]

Not all of them.

Mine used no items the party couldn't make for itself. It relies on first and second level wands, primarily. I didn't even touch most of the money.

Basically, if you can go first/are immune to everything he can toss out, and have enough damage to down him, you're golden. Given 35 feats per character, dealing a reliable 280 damage in a round isn't that ridiculous.

Ditto.

I am confident in my group as well, though if challenged I would need to spend a lot more time on the characters!

[Tyndmyr]

Yeah, I basically optimized to the point that I was guaranteed to win even if the balor got a surprise round, and used it to summon another balor.

Everything after that was pretty much pointless. If I was going to actually use this party in a challenge, there would be significantly more optimization. In gear especially.

[monkey3]

I did not see my submission (made before the contest close) in the "SUBMISSIONS SO FAR:" section. I assume you are busy reading everything you already have.

[Human Paragon 3]

@Monkey

I will do the final update to the submissions list tomorrow and your entries should appear on the list then.

You guys rock.... there are some fun entries here.

this is at least 10 characters

[Tyndmyr]

Any ties should be handled by double elimination deathmatches.

[Ingus]

Any ties should be handled by double elimination deathmatches.

As it is stated, it seems a deathmatch between playgrounder. In that case, between me and you, you win.
What I can say? I'm chivalrious and won't never ever hit a lady. Some would say I'm a coward by nature, but don't listen to them

Seriously, it seems a very good idea: with a tie, a deathmatch would make it shine those not antiBalor only. But I guess there is a winner already (sadly, I guess it is not me )

[Tyndmyr]

Not a lady Im afraid, just happen to like the avatar. =)

[ex cathedra]

Not a lady Im afraid, just happen to like the avatar. =)

Note: This is a lie.

Whatever you say.

I didn't go into great depth about my solution, since the remaining effort is just scouring MiC, SpC, and a few other sources for modifier boosts, which are quite easy to come by. I was just trying to submit a feasible solution quickly.

[Superglucose]

Are we going to get to watch an actual fight?

[arguskos]

Are we going to get to watch an actual fight?

As you wish, sire!

*kicks supes in the shins, runs away*

No but really, I've been watching this one with great interest. I liked Swordguy's entry personally, since it made me giggle. Would have entered, but really, I had other stuff to do, and still do.

[Malakar]

Are we going to get to watch an actual fight?

I'm waiting for an submission entry that doesn't say "Pending" Sure some of them might be completed parties, but I'm not searching the thread for legal e6 parties that are also good enough to actually run if I can just mooch off of the actual challenge results.

[Superglucose]

As you wish, sire!

*kicks supes in the shins, runs away*

OW! Jeez...

No but really, I've been watching this one with great interest. I liked Swordguy's entry personally, since it made me giggle. Would have entered, but really, I had other stuff to do, and still do.

I just was hoping to see these epic tricks work, you know?

[arguskos]

OW! Jeez...

You asked for a fight. Take it in good faith.

I just was hoping to see these epic tricks work, you know?

Eh, me too, but somehow, I think this is much more theory and much less actual combats, no matter what's been said. This isn't the first challenge like this I've seen, and they rarely work out into actual fights to test the theories. Hopefully, this one is different, but eh, don't hold your breath.

[Superglucose]

Hey, the 20 fighter/13 wizard broke into fights.

As did the ECL 20 "Against the Dragon." Which is why it was funny when someone asked if it was possible for noncasters to take on a dragon. We had Druid, Wizard, Cleric, Sorcerer, Ranger and we were having a rough time of it.

[Human Paragon 3]

After this thread finishes, somebody should start another CR20 Monster vs. e6 party thread.

[Ingus]

Not a lady Im afraid, just happen to like the avatar. =)

(If anyone's in doubt, what follows is a joke)

What do you mean by that? That I'm a coward, not wanting to brawl? Seriously? I would like to accept the deathmatch just right now.
...except that I've other business to attend.
Unless... [insert shaking, menacing punch here] [and scarede eyes too]

[taltamir]

has anyone come up with a way to resist blasphemy other then playing an evil party?

Since this all started with the following statement:

any attempt to E6 will have to be a joke, because e6 characters can't actually do anything against Balors.

what is an evil party doing throwing their life against a balor?
run, serve it, etc... its the good guys who should be fighting demons.

[Human Paragon 3]

My party is all good. It uses an exalted good monk as the point man, and the coup de gras is a melee attack. I believe I am the only entry that can say any of that!

However, there's no reason evil people shouldn't fight demons. They could be working with devils, for example.

[taltamir]

My party is all good. It uses an exalted good monk as the point man, and the coup de gras is a melee attack. I believe I am the only entry that can say any of that!

Impressive, how does it avoid being auto killed by blasphemy?

[Human Paragon 3]

My artificer makes a scroll of Lesser Planar Ally, and before the fight we use it to summon a Nightmare. The Nightmare casts Etherealness on us, which moves us to the Astral Plane, making us imune to 90% of the Balor's attacks including Blasphemy. Once we drop back onto the prime, we rely on stunning fist to ensure the balor never gets another action.

[monkey3]

has anyone come up with a way to resist blasphemy other then playing an evil party?

My team can't be hit by it since they stay underground and are not affected by it. In fact they can't be seen or detected by anyone, and can stay/attack from underground till the end of time.

I made use of no powerful items or spells/powers above 2nd level. I use mostly 2nd level powers and a movement move (burrowing). Oh, I also used a 3rd level spell once (Animate Dead).

[Tyndmyr]

has anyone come up with a way to resist blasphemy other then playing an evil party?

Well, theres the spellstealing daggers anyhow. Silence also works.

You could always optimize saves(surprisingly easy, since E6 explicitly says this is ok), and tack on the luck feat that turns natural 1s into natural 20s. I put that feat on my characters anyway, just because it's awesome. Note that this just affects the part that allows a saving throw, so you need additional immunities for the other effects.

My team can down the balor in a round from extreme range, so the immunities are just for giggles.

[taltamir]

My artificer makes a scroll of Lesser Planar Ally

4th level spell scrolls don't exist in E6.

Well, theres the spellstealing daggers anyhow. Silence also works.

You could always optimize saves(surprisingly easy, since E6 explicitly says this is ok), and tack on the luck feat that turns natural 1s into natural 20s. I put that feat on my characters anyway, just because it's awesome. Note that this just affects the part that allows a saving throw, so you need additional immunities for the other effects.

the balor's blasphemy auto kills any non evil with an ECL of 10 or less within range without a save or SR check.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/blasphemy.htm
he is casting it as CL20.

I don't know what spell stealing daggers are, but do they work on SLA? I am pretty sure silence does not hamper SLA.

My team can down the balor in a round from extreme range, so the immunities are just for giggles.

that will work... as long as you are more then 40 feet away from him you are out of the range of blasphemy.