Arena Tournament, Round 95: Rai vs. Wendy

[Sallera]

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So, centred at R8/S9+15? Three potential squares even if she is holding it. Only change to Rai's turn will be no 5ft step, and drop the vial in A11; may as well watch her blink around if she's not too close.

[TheFallenOne]

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Rai

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no LoS

Wendy

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no LoS

[candycorn]

Wendy, Round 3

Refs/LOS:

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Free: Drop Torch in current square (centered at R8/S9 +15)
Free: Shift items to place Elixir in free hand.
Standard: Drink Elixir:

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Elixir of sneaking

Swift: Shift Essentia.
Free: Drop Vial in S9.
Free: 5 foot step to S7. (light still centered on bottom NW corner of my square)
Move: Deploy Camo Net.
Free: Adjust items to place smokestick in one hand, all other items in the other.

Hide: (1d20+25)[45] (+5 dex, +4 Size, +4 Race, +2 Circumstance, +10 Competence-Elixir)
MS: (1d20+13)[20] (+5 dex, +4 racial, +4 Competence-Kruthik Claws)

Done.

Stats:

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Location: W6, Hiding, Move Silent
HP: 12/12
AC: 19 (+1 size, +5 Dex, +3 Armor)
In Hand: 1 smokestick (hand 1), 3 lit Torches (3/600), a heavy shield-NOT readied, just held(hand 2)

Temporary Effects: Elixir of Sneaking 1/600
Melds Shaped: Dissolving Spittle (1), Kruthik Claws (Expanded), Blink Shirt (1)

Arena Effects (any may look):

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Bullseye Lantern - centered B10-C11, facing east. Duration 3/3600.

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Torch in O5 - emanating from N4/O5, Burning - Duration 3/600
Torch in S8, Emanating from R8/S9(+15), Burning - Duration 3/600.

Carriage: in X10-Z11 (10x10x10 section in X10-Y11, 5x5x10 section (driver's bench) in Z10-Z11. Carriage doors are considered Locked(due to iron spikes hammered into doors from inside. Strength check to break open: DC 15). Within carriage (X10-Y11-interior) Lard has been spread. Mimics Grease spell (DC 11 reflex), duration 3/600. Over roof of driver's compartment and driver's bench (X10-Z11, atop carriage), Lantern oil has been spread, per SRD entry. (if lit, will burn for 2 rounds, dealing 1d3 fire damage per round to any creature in the area.)

[TheFallenOne]

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ech, did the move of Wendy give new illumination to any square not previously illuminated by the dropped torch? Not as far as Rai can see it seems to me

Rai

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a vial appears in S9

Wendy

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no LoS

[Sallera]

Rai, Round 4

Refs/LoS:

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Move: Draw potion:

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Spider Climb.

Standard: Drink potion.
Free: Drop vial in A11.
Hide: (1d20+10)[15]

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HP 10/10, AC 19 (15, 15)
PP: 6/6
Psionically focused
Active Effects: Darkvision 1797 rounds, Resist Acid 98 rounds, Resist Fire 99 rounds, Spider Climb 100 rounds

Done.

[candycorn]

Wendy, Round 4

Refs/LOS:

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Free: Shift Items: Torch in 1 hand, all other items in the other.
Standard: Activate Tattoo of Chameleon.
Move: Hide.

Hide: (1d20+35)[45]
MS: (1d20+13)[18]

Done.

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Location: W6, Hiding, Move Silent
HP: 12/12
AC: 19 (+1 size, +5 Dex, +3 Armor)
In Hand: 1 smokestick (hand 1), 3 lit Torches (4/600), a heavy shield-NOT readied, just held(hand 2)

Temporary Effects: Elixir of Sneaking 2/600
Melds Shaped: Dissolving Spittle (1), Kruthik Claws (Expanded), Blink Shirt (1)

Arena Effects (any may look):

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Bullseye Lantern - centered B10-C11, facing east. Duration 4/3600.

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Torch in O5 - emanating from N4/O5, Burning - Duration 4/600
Torch in S8, Emanating from R8/S9(+15), Burning - Duration 4/600.

Carriage: in X10-Z11 (10x10x10 section in X10-Y11, 5x5x10 section (driver's bench) in Z10-Z11. Carriage doors are considered Locked(due to iron spikes hammered into doors from inside. Strength check to break open: DC 15). Within carriage (X10-Y11-interior) Lard has been spread. Mimics Grease spell (DC 11 reflex), duration 4/600. Over roof of driver's compartment and driver's bench (X10-Z11, atop carriage), Lantern oil has been spread, per SRD entry. (if lit, will burn for 2 rounds, dealing 1d3 fire damage per round to any creature in the area.)

[TheFallenOne]

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Rai

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no change
just to be clear, Darkvision was 60 feet?

Wendy

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no LoS

[Sallera]

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Correct.

Rai, Round 5

Refs/LoS:

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Standard: Manifest power:

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Vigor.

Move at half speed to B15.
Hide: (1d20+10)[15]
MS: (1d20+4)[13]

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HP 15/10, AC 19 (15, 15)
PP: 5/6
Psionically focused
Active Effects: Darkvision 1796 rounds, Resist Acid 97 rounds, Resist Fire 98 rounds, Spider Climb 99 rounds, Vigor 10 rounds

Done.

[candycorn]

Wendy, Round 4

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Standard: Snipe attack. Throw torch at P15 (going for intersection O15(+10)/P16(+15)).

Ranged Attack:(1d20-6)[-4] vs AC 5

Hide: (1d20+15)[29]
MS: (1d20+13)[18]

Not quite done, need to see results.

[candycorn]

Continued:

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Miss:(1d8)[8] (1 is towards me--Northeast) Scatter 4 squares

[candycorn]

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Torch ends at P11, emanating from O11/P12.

Free: Shift items, Torch in one hand, all other items in the other.

Done. LOS needed.


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Location: S7(+15), Hiding, Move Silent
HP: 12/12
AC: 19 (+1 size, +5 Dex, +3 Armor)
In Hand: 1 lit torch (5/600) (hand 1), 1 smokestick, 1 lit Torch (5/600), a heavy shield-NOT readied, just held(hand 2)

Temporary Effects: Elixir of Sneaking 3/600, Chameleon 2/100
Melds Shaped: Dissolving Spittle (1), Kruthik Claws (Expanded), Blink Shirt (1)

Arena Effects (any may look):

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Bullseye Lantern - centered B10-C11, facing east. Duration 5/3600.

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Torch in O5 - emanating from N4/O5, Burning - Duration 5/600
Torch in S8, Emanating from R8/S9(+15), Burning - Duration 5/600.
Torch in P11, Emanating from O11-P12, Burning - Duration 5/600.

Carriage: in X10-Z11 (10x10x10 section in X10-Y11, 5x5x10 section (driver's bench) in Z10-Z11. Carriage doors are considered Locked(due to iron spikes hammered into doors from inside. Strength check to break open: DC 15). Within carriage (X10-Y11-interior) Lard has been spread. Mimics Grease spell (DC 11 reflex), duration 5/600. Over roof of driver's compartment and driver's bench (X10-Z11, atop carriage), Lantern oil has been spread, per SRD entry. (if lit, will burn for 2 rounds, dealing 1d3 fire damage per round to any creature in the area.)

[TheFallenOne]

Ymirs skull, we mightily missjudged when we said LoS on this map would be easy. The next check will take a good deal of trigonometry, so have a little patience

[candycorn]

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Sorry! I need multiple light sources to enact my plan (taking advantage of low light vision to get much farther sight out of the light than my opponent. I was trying to get all light on top of ice walls.

[TheFallenOne]

the hell... sorry guys, I'm close to giving up. After I noticed a mistake with my initial approached, I tried deriving a simpler formula, but a variable that shouldn't disappear keeps... well, disappearing. Must be making a fundamental mistake somewhere and currently can't track it down

the sad thing is back in school I'd have solved this ten times over now *sigh*

[Sallera]

If it helps any, I'd be fine with approximations for the moment, and I've only got the one lantern lit right now, so I assume it's my LoS that's holding things up.

Edit: And if you need to know if a particular square is lit, just count corners from the originating intersection.

[TheFallenOne]

the trouble was with determining LoS on certain squares, there are quite a few I have to check. I tried making a formula where I just have to insert distance on x and y axis, height of obstacle and distance to obstacle to streamline the process, but I must've made a mistake somewhere and can't find it ^^ well, I'll try once again and if it doesn't work back to how I made it before

[TheFallenOne]

OK, I... wow. I made no mistake. I just thought the result is too simple to be true, but it perfectly works.

If yo want to determine if there is an unbroken line between two points, say, K16/L17+5 and R12/S13+20, you just need to calculate

h=h(1)*Δx/a

Δx is the distance on the x axis between the two points(7 squares), a the distance on x axis to the obstacle(the p wall, so 4 squares), h(1) the height difference between starting point and obstacle(2 squares)

that gives us h=3,5, meaning there is LoE between K16/L17+5 and R12/S13 from 17,5 feet upward.(edit: 22,5, forgot the +5 of starting square. Oopsies)
I was so confused because Δy drops out of the equation... Boy, that makes LoS checks way easier for me in the feature

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Δx and Δy form right-angled triangle with hypotenuse d

d and h form another right-angled triangle with angle α
tan α = h/d

draw an orthogonal through Δx at the endpoint of a
This cuts d at a length of d*a/Δx
you now have another right-angled triangle with the angle α, adjacent d*a/Δx, opposite h(1)
tan α=h(1)/(d*a/Δx)=h(1)*Δx/d*a

==> h/d=h(1)*Δx/d*a
==> h=h(1)*Δx/a

damn, now I'm tired -.-


edit: Rai

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all other previously mentioned lightsources unchanged
you see bright illumination appear in
L12+15
M12+20-+25
M13+20-+25
M14+20-+25
N12+25
N13+25
N14+20-+25
O11+25-+30
O12+25-+30
O13+20-+25
O14+20-+25
P11+30
P12+25-+30
P13+20-+25
P14+20-+25
Q11+25
Q12+25
Q13+20-+25
R11+25
R12+25
R13+25
may be wrong in places because I noticed a certain mistake lately

that should be most of it
shadowy illumination 20 feet past the bright.
Then, all the shadowy and bright illumination goes straight downward 10 feet and remains so

[Sallera]

Rai, Round 6

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*sigh* I'll be very interested to find out what all these light sources are for, afterward.
Standard: Manifest Chameleon.
Move: To H16.
Hide: (1d20+15)[31]
MS: (1d20-1)[9]

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HP 15/10, AC 19 (15, 15)
PP: 4/6
Psionically focused
Active Effects: Darkvision 1795 rounds, Resist Acid 96 rounds, Resist Fire 97 rounds, Spider Climb 98 rounds, Vigor 9 rounds, Chameleon 100 rounds

Done.

[candycorn]

Wendy, Round 6

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Move: to S9(+15) (half speed)
Hide: (1d20+35)[38]
Move Silent: (1d20+13)[20]

Free: Drop both torches in T10(+10) (Emanating from T10-U11 (+0) -after falling)
Free: Drop Smokestick in S9(+15)

Standard:Blink to S6(+0) -still hiding

@Refs:

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Bright Light emanation at ground level, as well as light sources at end of my turn (for characters with low light vision)

Bright Light emanation at ground level, as well as light sources at end of my turn (for characters without low light vision)

Done.

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Location: S6(+0), Hiding, Move Silent
HP: 12/12
AC: 19 (+1 size, +5 Dex, +3 Armor)
In Hand: nothing (hand 1), a heavy shield-NOT readied, just held(hand 2)

Temporary Effects: Elixir of Sneaking 4/600, Chameleon 3/100
Melds Shaped: Dissolving Spittle (1), Kruthik Claws (Expanded), Blink Shirt (1)

Arena Effects (any may look):

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Bullseye Lantern - centered B10-C11, facing east. Duration 6/3600.

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Torch in O5 - emanating from N4/O5, Burning - Duration 6/600
Torch in S8, Emanating from R8/S9(+15), Burning - Duration 6/600.
Torch in P11, Emanating from O11-P12, Burning - Duration 6/600.
2 Torches in T10, Emanating from T10-U11, Burning - Duration 6/600.

Carriage: in X10-Z11 (10x10x10 section in X10-Y11, 5x5x10 section (driver's bench) in Z10-Z11. Carriage doors are considered Locked(due to iron spikes hammered into doors from inside. Strength check to break open: DC 15). Within carriage (X10-Y11-interior) Lard has been spread. Mimics Grease spell (DC 11 reflex), duration 6/600. Over roof of driver's compartment and driver's bench (X10-Z11, atop carriage), Lantern oil has been spread, per SRD entry. (if lit, will burn for 2 rounds, dealing 1d3 fire damage per round to any creature in the area.)

[candycorn]

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Minor oversight in light emanation for characters with low-light.

For characters with low-light vision, the torch in R8-S9(+15) should be illuminating Q6-R8 brightly.

EDIT: This doesn't hold up the match. It's just an aid for light sources I know about.

[Sallera]

Rai, Round 7

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Provided nothing changed in LoS to make any part of this path in bright illumination...
Double move to S17.
Hide: (1d20+15)[20]
MS: (1d20-1)[2]

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HP 15/10, AC 19 (15, 15)
PP: 4/6
Psionically focused
Active Effects: Darkvision 1794 rounds, Resist Acid 95 rounds, Resist Fire 96 rounds, Spider Climb 97 rounds, Vigor 8 rounds, Chameleon 99 rounds

Done.

[TheFallenOne]

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Listen Wendy (1d20+5)[24]

Rai

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as of arriving in H16, you see bright illumination in L12, M12+0-+10, N12+0-+10, O5+0-+15, O6+0-+10, N-O7+0-+5, M-O8+0, O8+10-+15, O9+10-+15, P8-9 +5-+20, Q7-8+0-+25, R6-7+0-+25 and some others more still
any change?

Wendy

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you hear movement southwest

this is for Rai turn 6

[Sallera]

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No change.

[TheFallenOne]

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Rai

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as a side note, if you tell me what conclusions you draw from the visible illumination(i.e. where you suspect which light source to be) I could make easier LoS checks by just saying that further information you get from moving matches your hypothesis

Wendy

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listen information as above. any change?

[candycorn]

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No change for my round 6.

[TheFallenOne]

just a heads-up: exams over, tomorrow we'll be back to LoS checks

but please please please don't make this more complicated than it already is. If I didn't remember Candycorn putting up with Psionics Dancing Lights before I'd be long out of here and leave this to someone graced with more patience than I have

[candycorn]

Sorry about that, I don't intend to add any more light sources (or move existing ones).

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If you'd like, I'll provide maps for light sources that I know about for all effects at likely altitudes (0, 10, and 15).

[TheFallenOne]

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Rai

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hm interesting... far as I can tell a dropped torch, while centered on an intersection, still occupies a square. Makes things easier
And dropped items, regardless of size, are in the whole square... strange but true

In light of that, after/during your movement turn 6 you see a torch in O5, centered N4/O5, a torch in P11, centered O11/P12, a torch in S9, centered R8/S9+15 and an empty vial in S9+15. Any change?

Wendy

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na, the low levels are the easy stuff. It gets complicated when a wall is in the way or when I have to determine how your movement changes illumination

one answer needed

[Sallera]

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No change.

[TheFallenOne]

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kay, dropped smokestick narrowly not seen, no chance at listen

Rai

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when arriving in K17 you see an unlit smokestick in S9+15 that wasn't there before. Any change?

Wendy

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no LoS

currently Rai turn 7