General Exalted Discussion IV: Roll Join Debate

[Qaera]

But Malfean layers get crushed and added every day, so it's probably been recreated a few times.

[Sanguine]

I knew they were Devas, but assumed that the quality of being an Greater Elemental Dragon and being a Deva wasn't mutually exclusive.

No the two are mutually exclusive. Greater Elemental Dragon is the term for the crazy, extremely powerful, final evolutionary state of an Elemental. The Elemental Dragons being neither Elementals nor crazy are thus not Greater Elemental Dragons. I'll admit the terminology is confusing; however to quote a wise blue haired FBI agent:

...but if start complaining about the terminology now I won't stop for hours, so let's move on.

Now I just thought I would mention this. As much as much as Raksha like to complain about the Primordials imposing linear time on the universe very few if any of them are actually old enough to remember a world without such.

[Xefas]

Has anyone ever made chocolate milk, but used heavy cream instead of milk?

...I don't feel so good ._.

EDIT: To make this more about Exalted, do any of the source books mention where chocolate comes from in Creation? I'd guess somewhere in the Southwest.

[Psyborg]

Has anyone ever made chocolate milk, but used heavy cream instead of milk?

...I don't feel so good ._.

EDIT: To make this more about Exalted, do any of the source books mention where chocolate comes from in Creation? I'd guess somewhere in the Southwest.

Chocolate = ambrosia. Seriously- it's described as an incredibly delicious substance of waxy consistency, that comes in foil-wrapped squares stamped with the insigne of the UCS. And then the classic line about, "Younger Sidereals are cautioned against eating their salary."

[Sanguine]

Chocolate = ambrosia. Seriously- it's described as an incredibly delicious substance of waxy consistency, that comes in foil-wrapped squares stamped with the insigne of the UCS. And then the classic line about, "Younger Sidereals are cautioned against eating their salary."

Color's wrong. Also not all Ambrosia comes wrapped in foil only that which is used as currency. Finally you are wrong about it being squares, it is coins, and the foil is gold. Chocolate Coins.

[Xefas]

That would also mean no Ancient Dragon-King Cocoa-Bean Orchards.

[Tael]

Hey all, I am yet again requesting help STing in my latest Exalted escapade, any advice would be appreciated! (My players, stay out!)

[Tavar]

The solar charm There Is No Wind doesn't negate bonuses due to cover, does it?

[TheCountAlucard]

The solar charm There Is No Wind doesn't negate bonuses due to cover, does it?

EDIT: Err, wait, bonuses. Umm, guess not; it says it negates penalties to your roll, and thus a bonus to the target's DV from cover should still be safe. Though if we start getting into semantics about whether or not a bonus to the other person's DV counts as a penalty to you or not...

[Tavar]

I thought so as well, but I wanted to check.

[DeadManSleeping]

To be fair, it's a bonus to DV, which is actually an external penalty. So it's an increase to a penalty. So it's a penalty.

The books explicitly call DV an external penalty to an attack in multiple places, so that's not really an argument.

[Tavar]

Then the charm negates all dv's for only 3 motes. That's absurdly low for what amounts to a perfect attack.

[TheCountAlucard]

Then the charm negates all dv's for only 3 motes. That's absurdly low for what amounts to a perfect attack.

Especially considering the Charm it's a prerequisite for.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Then the charm negates all dv's for only 3 motes. That's absurdly low for what amounts to a perfect attack.

Seems completely balanced and fair to me.

[Indon]

Then the charm negates all dv's for only 3 motes. That's absurdly low for what amounts to a perfect attack.

Even read that way, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't negate DV's, but simply set them to a base of zero.

It's awkward to read as the charm is a Supplimental, rather than a Reflexive charm meant to operate at any given tick.

[Tavar]

What's the keyword....c(something)-no. Let's me punch players in the face if they abuse the charm. Don't make me dust that off.

[Sanguine]

Then the charm negates all dv's for only 3 motes. That's absurdly low for what amounts to a perfect attack.

It's not really a Perfect Attack even if it does negate DV which it shouldn't. You could still roll no successes. The only true Perfect Attack in the Solar Charm set is Accuracy Without Distance.

Also it's Chicanery-No.

[Reynard]

What's the keyword....c(something)-no. Let's me punch players in the face if they abuse the charm. Don't make me dust that off.

Chicanery: No.

[Tael]

There Is No Wind
(p. 187)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Martial, Mirror (Pulse of the Prey)
Prerequisite Charms: None

This Charm does not negate DVs.
Martial: Thrown. The Essence 3+ upgrade does not apply to Thrown.

C'mon guys. They shouldn't have even had to print this.

[Qaera]

C'mon guys. They shouldn't have even had to print this.

You're right, there shouldn't be any Mirror charms.

[Tael]

You're right, there shouldn't be any Mirror charms.

Why ever not?

Also, your new avatar is awesome.

[Qaera]

Why ever not?

Also, your new avatar is awesome.

Meh, I just think the Abyssals are the least creative splat.

Thanks~

[Sanguine]

Meh, I just think the Abyssals are the least creative splat.

Thanks~

Mirror Charms exist because Abyssals can become Solars in play and vice versa.

[Qaera]

Mirror Charms exist because Abyssals can become Solars in play and vice versa.

I know... that's why I think they aren't that creative.

[Mr.Bookworm]

The Mirror keyword is a perfect attack against the greatest behemoth White Wolf writers face.

Word count.

Treat the Keyword with respect, grasshopper.

[Guancyto]

And to save enormous piles of wordcount. And to sneak more Solar charms into the Abyssal splat, because You Can Be More is awesome.

[Qaera]

The Mirror keyword is a perfect attack against the greatest behemoth White Wolf writers face.

Word count.

Treat the Keyword with respect, grasshopper.

Yeah, it adds... 250 words, at most? That's a paragraph of fluff they can sneeze out in their sleep.

[Tavar]

You're assuming a charm is 250 words? Then, yeah, it adds 250 words per mirrored charm. There's quite a few of them, and it adds up over time.

[Qaera]

You're assuming a charm is 250 words? Then, yeah, it adds 250 words per mirrored charm. There's quite a few of them, and it adds up over time.

I'm saying I think Abyssals should have unique charms, not copypasta'd Solar charms with a death theme.

[Tael]

I'm saying I think Abyssals should have unique charms, not copypasta'd Solar charms with a death theme.

I am torn on this subject, because I agree with you, but every Abyssal charm with Mirror is also a Solar charm, and I care far more about Solar mechanics than I do abyssals.