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2011-05-30, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
I cannot say for absolute certain that 2nd Edition Exalted is the worst possible game system ever devised for use with play-by-post gaming. However, I can say with complete certainty that it is the worst of the dozens of roleplaying game systems I've actually played. It beats out 3.5 D&D in the "Hey, we've been fighting this level 2 Kobold for 6 months now" syndrome, which is certainly a feat.
I have to agree with Rosie, if you can't be persuaded to use another system, IM is your best bet for getting anything done.
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2011-05-30, 11:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Well hopefully it'll be mitigated a bit since we're all in Australia (and on the same side of it to so the only time zone differences'll be from DST) and Steam Chat should help with the reflexive Charms and so on - they can just describe what their character does in response to the attack and I can just paste what they said into ST posts.
Most of it might still be PbP for access to Myth Weaver's dice roller (unless the one on Invisible Castle works well enough) but also to have something we can read back through.Avatar of Gnar'tigor - former Star Player of the Hellborn Hooligans Blood Bowl team - by Savannah
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If anyone can find a better-quality version of that, let me know.
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2011-05-30, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
The way I've handled it so far is to just make things simple. I don't worry about which step your perfect defense should have been activated in (yes, that means step 2 perfects and step 7 perfects are exactly the same), you stunt your whole block of actions as a group, and you declare your defensive stunts when you post your next actions. I roll damage at home usually, as well as any roll too annoying to leave up to the forum roller. It keeps things running.
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2011-05-31, 01:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
So... I think it was Rose Dragon who recently responded to a comment on akuma by telling me that Terrestrial Akuma cannot use their yozi's reflexive charms as freely as their native charms. This makes sense to me for balance reasons, but at the same time I kind of want it to not be so (given I'm building a terrestrial akuma character). So I'd like to be sure one way or the other.
I tried looking in the infernals book, the terrestrials book, and the scroll of errata, but nothing leapt out. The closest thing I can find is a sidebar in Errata saying that martial arts reflexives can be used freely. The fact they call martial arts out specifically seems to imply that other charms types cannot, but RAW simply seems to state free reflexives. So a direct quote one way or another would be appreciated. Anyone have a page reference I could use?
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2011-05-31, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
I'm currently watching an LP of Darksiders; about an hour in now. All I can say is that no one can do better than a coadjutor voiced by Mark Hamill. That's definitely N/A background rating territory.
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2011-05-31, 05:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
whoever told you that was correct, you can find the rule in
Infernals page 102 under Charm Limits
Dragon-Blooded akuma do not have to pay
a wrong-aspect one mote surcharge when activating Infernal
Charms (as these Charms do not have an elemental aspect),
but neither may they use Reflexive Infernal Charms freely
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2011-05-31, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Here is Part 1 of the LP that I'm watching. I don't believe he shows up until 3-4 videos into that one, though.
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2011-05-31, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Thanks, Mr Hellbunny !
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2011-05-31, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
I wish there were more yozis with statted charmsets. I'd really like Metagaos' official writeup. And then there are other's I'd be happy to see: Qaf, Elloge, Szoreny.
And I don't want to use homebrew for fear that halfway through a game they'd release ol' Meta and my whole character would be completely invalid.
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2011-06-01, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Well, there are some homebrew Charm sets for some of those. For example, I did a Szoreny Charm set.
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2011-06-01, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-06-01, 04:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Well, a charm by charm review as I read through a second time-
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First Excellency
I'd like to see a little more. Particularly, stuff that the Excellency definitely cannot apply to. The line "He opposes sudden action, unless it is necessary" seems a bit like a cop out. Akin to, "The Ebon Dragon is a jerk, unless it is necessary that he isn't" - one of the weaknesses of a Primordial is their inability to act against their themes, even when it is rational and necessary.
Also, the line "imposes his values on others" is kind of out of place. Szoreny is more about accommodating others, having his reflection changed by them, and growing around their plans and ideals, rather than imposing his own.
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Mythos Exultant
Seems good.
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Silver Gardener Spirit
I like the charm itself. My only wonder is about the prerequisite. On the one hand, it's real convenient for folks who want to go full-Szoreny. On the other, it's prohibitively inconvenient for the Slayer who wants to use it to relax after a hard day's massacre by tending his bonsai plant. I guess its a stylistic choice either way.
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Seeds of Victory Prana
This is one of my favorite charms out of the whole set. I definitely want to see some charms branching out from it. Maybe some that deal with Szoreny's unique brand of virtues.
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Thousand Words Picture
The way its written, I instantly get a lot of ideas about what my potential Infernal would do with it. However, the prerequisite still makes me a little uncomfortable.
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Mirrored Meaning Confusion
I think it's fine, since once someone figures out they're be effected by it, they can effectively negate it by utilizing Bizarro-speak. I think others might say it needs to be beatable via willpower expenditure. I'd disagree, but whatever.
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Mirror Matches Movement
It's cool, but a tad bland. Maybe a slight behavioral effect? Like, if you take an action that directly opposes the First Excellency while utilizing a disguise you didn't prepare for ahead of time, you have to make a new disguise check or something goes wrong with your impersonation? I dunno. Just something to think about.
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Meeting Mirror Deflection
The imagery is awesome. Honestly, the Imperfection being a little wonky in light of new canon would not inhibit me in the slightest for utilizing the charm set.
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Mirror-Strike Counter
My only worry with this is that it's a little too conveniently placed for a Yozi charm tree. Ideally, I think I'd put one other non-defensive Essence 2 or 3 charm between Meeting Mirror Deflection and Mirror-Strike Counter.
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Shifting Quicksilver Visage
Small typo. The "Type" should probably read "Reflexive", not "Permanent".
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Impossible Form Duplication
Cool, cool.
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Mirror-Hall Misdirection
I feel like there should be repurchases that expand the number of duplicates you can make.
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Shattered Mirror Defense
This seems like a perfect effect, but its other restrictions make it seem kind of unnecessary to apply the Imperfection of the Silver Forest. I dunno if it's even necessary, but maybe a line about its inability to dodge the undodgeable and its susceptibility to area effects constituting its own kind of imperfection for an otherwise perfect dodge?
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Same Sword Reflection
Should this have the Extra-Action keyword?
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Tree Amidst Forest Camouflage
This is another charm that I just absolutely love.
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Lost in Reflection
I'd like to see an upgrade that has mortals and low-Essence spirits who get reduced to 0 Willpower trying to escape the effects of this charm end up becoming transformed into a First Circle Demon of Szoreny. People losing their individuality and becoming wood sprites, or little spirit-saplings or something sounds cool and thematic to me.
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Mirror-Maze Navigation
This is another one with a good effect, but that is kind of bland. It could easily be a Solar Survival charm in its simplicity. Needs something to make it weirder. No ideas off the top of my head.
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Freed From the Mirror
I can see a few potential issues with this (continually duplicating the same Soulbreaker Orb, and only detonate the duplicates), but overall it's pretty cool. I know you can't have multiple duplicates of the same object, but can you have duplicates of multiple objects? I don't think it says. Also, does an object or person with a duplicate stop casting a reflection?
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Wake the Mirror
Instead of saying "has no Charms", it should probably be "has no supernatural traits" or something like that. Something that also disallows knacks, astrology, etc.
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Thousand Reflections Legion
Blarrgh, mass combat D=
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Image of Greatness Reflection
You misspelled "Isidoros", and the idea of them being brothers is kinda squicky to me.
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One Tree Forest
So, since one Infernal is going to be decked out in artifacts, and the other isn't, it's going to be kinda easy to tell them apart. Maybe allow the Infernal to reflexively activate Freed From the Mirror as an innate ability to duplicate his artifacts onto the reflection (which also go away when a reflection dies)?
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Quicksilver Sap Transfusion
No comments really jump out at me, although see the below charm.
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Unyielding Argent Bark
Yes. I like seeing other Yozi alternatives to Hardened Devil Body. However, I feel like this should be a prerequisite for Quicksilver Sap Transfusion, rather than the other way around.
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Subtle Poison Style
Does activating a poison-defending charm (or something that makes you immune to the ravages of poison) after the poison has been applied, but before (or right as) the delayed effects have activated still negate it?
Additionally, do you activate the effects of this charm and set the delay when you draw the blood from yourself, when you take the action to poison someone, once you've successfully poisoned them, or what?
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Haunting Hallucination Infliction
Maybe as an automatic higher-Essence upgrade, it could allow the Infernal to choose to have their poison deal both normal damage, and cause hallucinations?
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Not completely done. I still have about 5 pages left, but it's kinda late and I'm goin' to bed. I'll finish tomorrow if you want.
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2011-06-01, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
So, how weird is it that I want to stat out a daughter of Adorjan?
It may have something to do with the fact that one of our Green Sun Princes inadverdently led to the creation of one....
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2011-06-01, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Is there a point on the Essence 1-10 line that an upgrade of Swallowing the Lotus Root that applies to Celestial Martial Arts fits on? Or is it too much..
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2011-06-01, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Too much. CMA are just far more applicable, useful, and powerful than TMA.
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
He's like fire and ice and rage. He's like the night and the storm in the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and can see the turn of the universe. And... he's wonderful.
"What you do is travel around, pitting your summons against other summoners. This gives you the right to compete in tournaments, and to gain more and more powerful summons.
Just watch out for evil Team Meteor Swarm, who want to steal your Eidolon for no good reason."
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2011-06-01, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Ess 9-10 is so far along the lines of "hey our game is freeform now" that I don't think it would hugely matter.
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2011-06-01, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
This would be a Sidereal thing. Not to 4 XP, though.
Spoiler1st Excellency
"However, he values conformity and seeks to impose his values on others."
"He poisons his foes, either physically or by slowly cutting off their social and mental resources."
These two lines feel like She Who Lives In Her Name and Kimbery, respectively, not Szoreny.
I agree with Xefas, "unless it is necessary" is not a line that should be in a Yozi Excellency.
More minor: "He turns seeming failures into successes." You probably want to rewrite that line or change the emphasis, since that reads as if you could apply the Excellency to every single action ever.
Also the Excellency, following the format of the others, needs examples and spelling out of what you can't do with it.
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Mythos Exaltant
I would need to run the math to make sure, but I think this is okay.
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Silver Gardener Spirit
Cool.
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Seeds of Victory Prana
This is too good, methinks.
"Kill my rival."
You get into a fight with your rival, and attack him four times. You now have those four automatic successes on every single attack roll for free, without a Charm activation, until you actually hit the guy.
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Thousand Words Picture
Cool.
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Mirrored Meaning Confusion
This probably needs either the Shaping keyword or a UMI tag
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Mirror Matches Movement
I like it.
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Meeting Mirror Deflection
This should be 4m, in line with other perfect parries. Also should be: "This is a perfect parry that blocks even unblockable attacks."
The Imperfection is cool. Don't mind the way it interacts with Szoreny himself. Most of the Yozis have Imperfections that interact weirdly with themselves.
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Mirror-Strike Counter
Should just be "Reflexive (Step 2)". You declare it then, even if it provides a counterattack.
Not sure about the balance on this one. Will think on it more.
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Shifting Quicksilver Visage
"Szoreny uses no makeup" is a bit of a bwuh line. You might want to reword it, because it sounds kind of silly.
Otherwise good.
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Impossible Form Duplication
Hah. Cool.
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Mirror-Hall Misdirection
You probably need to spell out exactly what you can do with the duplicates.
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Shattered Mirror Defense
8m for a non-applicability trumping PD is kind of useless. I would suggest just expanding the capabilities of MHM. Also needs an Imperfection of some sort.
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Same Sword Reflection
Alright, I think.
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Tree Amidst Forest Camouflage
It's "camouflage" with a "u". Also needs a type.
Cool otherwise.
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Lost in Reflection
You should be able to spend Willpower to temporarily ignore the effect.
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Mirror-Maze Navigation
"Mirror, mirror, on the wall, find me the deadliest weapon of them all."
This probably needs a bit of modification so it can only finds things the character knows about. Or something similar.
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Freed From the Mirror
Uh. This is kind of broken. Have a soulbreaker orb? Now you have two soulbreaker orbs!
Really shouldn't work on artifacts. Not to mention how it interacts with disposables.
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Wake the Mirror
Again, broken. Duplicating Artifacts is hideously powerful. Also, giving it the same statistics as the original is probably too good.
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Thousands Reflections Legion
Same problem as the above.
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Image of Greatness Reflection
^
Though the base function miiiight be fine.
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One Tree Forest
The Infernal deattunes from all of his artifacts, and uses this Charm. His duplicate picks them up, attunes, and now the Infernal goes off to sit in a bunker while his duplicate runs around, because he is now more or less immortal.
Broken.
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Quicksilver Sap Transfusion
I like it.
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Unyielding Argent Bark
I'm kind of leery of having two Ox-Bodies in the same Charmset.
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Subtle Poison Style
Alright.
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Haunting Hallucination Infliction
Cool.
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Silver Sworn Bond
It's cool, but I'm not seeing what this has to do with Szorney in a thematic sense.
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Eyes Like Mirrors Oversight
Neat.
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Transcendent Toxin Internalization
Alright mechanically, I think. I would say it needs to have some sort of drawback or odd change to the Infernal, though, because that's what Infernal permanents are about.
I'd also say that it shouldn't provide flat mechanical immunity, because Infernal Charms don't do that. They tend to have riders or costs.
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New Growth Meditation
Alright.
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Broken Mirror Mending
Alright, I think.
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Bitter Medicine
Hmmmmm. Could be potent, but I think it's fine.
What happens, though, when you combine this with Broken Mirror Mending? This Charm's duration is probably shorter then it takes to heal a Crippling injury. If someone's arm gets chopped off and they start regrowing it through this, when the duration runs out, do they just have a half-formed arm, or what?
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Rooted In Reality
Infernals don't have IPP for a reason, because that's not how their Charm design works. You can have a Shaping defense, but it needs to be something weird, not just flat-out immunity as long as you commit the motes.
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Silver Branch Immunity
Everyone within 45 feet of you (minimum) gets IPP for free? This is probably overpowered.
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Mirrored Intentions
Okay, I think.
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In the Master's Image
Cool. Why Integrity, though?
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Into the Looking Glass
Okay, I think.
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Frozen Reflection Mirror
Kind of leery of something that lasts forever and ever, but it's okay, I think.
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Color-Music Melody
Blinding everyone miiiiiiight be too good, but I think it's okay.
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False Truth Reflection
...why Larceny? Seems kind of odd.
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Mirror-Madness Malediction
Um. Good, but I'm not sure if it's overpowered. It shouldn't be permanent for Exalted, though (perhaps inflicting Limit?).
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Silver-Soothed Sanity
Alright, I think.
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Sorcerous Enlightenment of Szoreny
Fine, I think. Don't like the duplication of another Yozi's flaw, though. Make something thematically unique.
Also, there's no shintai. You must hate fun.
Overall, I like it. I would probably have not focused on the poison so much, but you wrote this before Kimbery Charms came out, so it's understandable.Awesome Cyborg Doom Monkey avatar by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins. Offer up your robo-bananas to him.
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Thanks for taking the time. Feedback of any kind to something I've homebrewed is always appreciated.
Some repsonses:
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First Excellency
I'd like to see a little more. Particularly, stuff that the Excellency definitely cannot apply to. The line "He opposes sudden action, unless it is necessary" seems a bit like a cop out. Akin to, "The Ebon Dragon is a jerk, unless it is necessary that he isn't" - one of the weaknesses of a Primordial is their inability to act against their themes, even when it is rational and necessary.
Also, the line "imposes his values on others" is kind of out of place. Szoreny is more about accommodating others, having his reflection changed by them, and growing around their plans and ideals, rather than imposing his own.
Originally Posted by Compass of Celestial Directions: Malfeas
Silver Gardener Spirit
I like the charm itself. My only wonder is about the prerequisite. On the one hand, it's real convenient for folks who want to go full-Szoreny. On the other, it's prohibitively inconvenient for the Slayer who wants to use it to relax after a hard day's massacre by tending his bonsai plant. I guess its a stylistic choice either way.
Seeds of Victory Prana
This is one of my favorite charms out of the whole set. I definitely want to see some charms branching out from it. Maybe some that deal with Szoreny's unique brand of virtues.
Thousand Words Picture
The way its written, I instantly get a lot of ideas about what my potential Infernal would do with it. However, the prerequisite still makes me a little uncomfortable.
Mirror Matches Movement
It's cool, but a tad bland. Maybe a slight behavioral effect? Like, if you take an action that directly opposes the First Excellency while utilizing a disguise you didn't prepare for ahead of time, you have to make a new disguise check or something goes wrong with your impersonation? I dunno. Just something to think about.
I'm also of the school of thought that believes any drawback a Yozi Charm imposes on you should be a natural outgrowth from the Charm's effect. Being able to see in darkness makes it harder to see in the light.
Mirror-Strike Counter
My only worry with this is that it's a little too conveniently placed for a Yozi charm tree. Ideally, I think I'd put one other non-defensive Essence 2 or 3 charm between Meeting Mirror Deflection and Mirror-Strike Counter.
Mirror-Hall Misdirection
I feel like there should be repurchases that expand the number of duplicates you can make.
Shattered Mirror Defense
This seems like a perfect effect, but its other restrictions make it seem kind of unnecessary to apply the Imperfection of the Silver Forest. I dunno if it's even necessary, but maybe a line about its inability to dodge the undodgeable and its susceptibility to area effects constituting its own kind of imperfection for an otherwise perfect dodge?
Actually, I may want to increase the surcharge a bit and make it just as expensive as Duck Fate. The side effect of now being near impossible to target is worth quite alot.
Same Sword Reflection
Should this have the Extra-Action keyword?
Mirror-Maze Navigation
This is another one with a good effect, but that is kind of bland. It could easily be a Solar Survival charm in its simplicity. Needs something to make it weirder. No ideas off the top of my head.
Freed From the Mirror
I can see a few potential issues with this (continually duplicating the same Soulbreaker Orb, and only detonate the duplicates), but overall it's pretty cool. I know you can't have multiple duplicates of the same object, but can you have duplicates of multiple objects? I don't think it says. Also, does an object or person with a duplicate stop casting a reflection?
I think the main problem that you identify there is more an issue with one-shot artifacts in general. Any suggestions on how to close it as a loophole? Or just stick the Chicanery-No keyword on it?
Wake the Mirror
Instead of saying "has no Charms", it should probably be "has no supernatural traits" or something like that. Something that also disallows knacks, astrology, etc.
Image of Greatness Reflection
You misspelled "Isidoros", and the idea of them being brothers is kinda squicky to me.
One Tree Forest
So, since one Infernal is going to be decked out in artifacts, and the other isn't, it's going to be kinda easy to tell them apart. Maybe allow the Infernal to reflexively activate Freed From the Mirror as an innate ability to duplicate his artifacts onto the reflection (which also go away when a reflection dies)?
Unyielding Argent Bark
Yes. I like seeing other Yozi alternatives to Hardened Devil Body. However, I feel like this should be a prerequisite for Quicksilver Sap Transfusion, rather than the other way around.
Subtle Poison Style
Does activating a poison-defending charm (or something that makes you immune to the ravages of poison) after the poison has been applied, but before (or right as) the delayed effects have activated still negate it?
Additionally, do you activate the effects of this charm and set the delay when you draw the blood from yourself, when you take the action to poison someone, once you've successfully poisoned them, or what?
Haunting Hallucination Infliction
Maybe as an automatic higher-Essence upgrade, it could allow the Infernal to choose to have their poison deal both normal damage, and cause hallucinations?
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
re: Freed From the Mirror
How about, if the duplicated item is not a creature, if one of them is destroyed, so is the other?
re: Celestial Swallowing the Lotus Root
I can't find it now, but I recall there being a pretty interesting charm idea on the WW forums that involved a general martial arts charm with Swallowing the Lotus Root as a prerequisite that gave a steadily increasing experience discount on Celestial Martial Arts based on how many you've already mastered.
It was something like, if you've mastered one, you get a 1xp discount. If you've mastered three, you get a 2xp discount, all the way to like, if you've mastered sixteen, you get a 6xp discount. I liked that approach.
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Re: General Exalted Discussion V: Our Armies are Pants
Remember: Hope springs eternal. The dark days will pass and the sun will shine again.
The best way to learn something is to ask, so ask without shame.
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It wasn't a Charm, it was a discussion on what it would do if it existed, iirc.
Because lots of people that see StLR think "Hey, if there is one for TMA, there should be one for CMA." Sort of like Autochthonian-element DBs, or an Exalt type that can Attune to Adamant.
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...I don't get any love?
Anyway, some responses to your responses.
SpoilerI was meaning the line more to allow Szoreny to help in the execution of his own plans. You know, Ocean's Eleven style. You spend a long time planning the caper, then its a half hour of running around crazy doing lots of sudden, intense action. An Infernal shouldn't get sidelined just because he took Szoreny's Excellency.
Besides this, it doesn't sideline them, it just prevents them from using the Excellency. And Yozi Excellencies are pretty much designed for stunting. You can't enhance "I punch him in the face" with a Szoreny Excellency, but you can enhance "I carefully lead him into a position where he's vulnerable, and then strike".
I'm in agreement that something should come after Seeds of Victory Prana, but I can't ever think of something concrete to grow out of it. It's sort of hard to top "You will eventually win in any extended contest".
It's again more a "I couldn't think of a better prerequiste" thing than a stylistic choice. I'd love to open this one up.
I'm of the school of thought that since Szoreny is the ultimate mirror, he shouldn't need a week of watching to be able to mirror you.Consider this: It costs 8 motes to defend this way. That's almost as much as Duck Fate - a true perfect. So, not only does it have some flaws, but it's expensive. I don't want to try and act like this is a true perfect defense when it's never going to see major use in any paranoia combat suite.
Actually, I may want to increase the surcharge a bit and make it just as expensive as Duck Fate. The side effect of now being near impossible to target is worth quite alot.
...that might be too good.
Rain of Feathered Death isn't an Extra-Action Charm.
I think the main problem that you identify there is more an issue with one-shot artifacts in general. Any suggestions on how to close it as a loophole? Or just stick the Chicanery-No keyword on it?
Supernatural traits includes Essence, Destiny, and so on. I'd actually like to leave most of those intact.
Wait, you want to kill someone and change their mind at the same time? What purpose does that serve?Last edited by Mr.Bookworm; 2011-06-01 at 06:00 PM.
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