LGBTAitp - Part Fifteen

[Eurus]

I've heard, somewhere, that it's because of superstition - the colours were swapped on babies, because fairies and things would want to steal away valuable little boys, and no one cared as much about the girls.

Oh, well that's much better then. Might be one of those myths like "rule of thumb" but sounds plausible enough to make me headdesk.

[Kindablue]

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So does Nietzsche. That is all.

[Rawhide]

I've heard, somewhere, that it's because of superstition - the colours were swapped on babies, because fairies and things would want to steal away valuable little boys, and no one cared as much about the girls.

If Stephen Fry is to be believed, and indeed the articles I looked up, it's actually due to Hitler. They used the opposite colours (what we use now) and it spread from there.

[Gardener]

So does Nietzsche. That is all.

Well, I'd assume the National Organisation of Gay and Lesbian Scientists and Technical Professionals agree too. Lots of people like gay science, not just Newton and Nietzche.

Now that you mention it, it could make for some great time-travelling philosophical slash fic. Newton/Nietzche FTW!

[Kindablue]

Well, I'd assume the National Organisation of Gay and Lesbian Scientists and Technical Professionals agree too.

I don't know all of them personally, but that's a fair guess.

Lots of people like gay science, not just Newton and Nietzche.

I meant "That is all I have to say."

[Gardener]

I don't know all of them personally, but that's a fair guess.

I meant "That is all I have to say."

Sorry. Didn't mean to impugn your intentions. I just felt the need to be silly. Hence the digression about intertemporal slash fiction.

Perhaps I should have used an emoticon

[Kindablue]

Sorry. Didn't mean to impugn your intentions. I just felt the need to be silly. Hence the digression about intertemporal slash fiction.

Perhaps I should have used an emoticon

Nah, my fault. And they're making another Bill and Ted movie, so Newton/Nietzche could happen soon. Though I can't imagine a less gay gay couple than those two. Newton was a robot or something.

[golentan]

So... he's just a love machine? And he won't work for nobody but Nietzsche?

[rayne_dragon]

So... tomorrow's the local Pride Parade. I hope I can overcome my fear of crowds and go see it.

[Coidzor]

Good luck.

So what would constitute an example of gay science, per se? Since we're so preoccupied with what kind of science that science wants to have sciency sex with and all.

[Worlok]

Why, oh why, can't helium hold a relationship? Why won't it just admit that it does fancy oxygen that way? Oh, the humanity! Oh, the drama!

Other than that, good luck, rayne. Always remember: Beating demophobia for a Pride Parade is just more of a reason for that pride! (/sagacious blathering - But seriously, all the best! )

[strawberryman]

Been a while since I posted here, but I figured I'd get out a few pictures of me and my GF while she was here.

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Don't particularly like my hair in that pic. But nonetheless, had a good time. My gram and her gay friend were great, and while I could notice a few self-conscious mannerisms (recall she's MtF) being physically there with her, I'd say that she was glad to be here.

Now to get money to go to Norway. XD

Also, to date, this is the first picture I've posted of myself on the forums. I should hope you all can keep a secret.

[Nix Nihila]

*hawt pictures*

You're both so cute!! I'm glad it went well.

And good luck Rayne!

[Gardener]

I'm quietly enjoying some irony here.

At least, I think it's irony. I should probably ask you guys about it.

Is it actually ironic if a cis girl says "Sorry, I'm a lesbian" to a closeted trans girl?

[Lix Lorn]

I'm quietly enjoying some irony here.

At least, I think it's irony. I should probably ask you guys about it.

Is it actually ironic if a cis girl says "Sorry, I'm a lesbian" to a closeted trans girl?

It's also quite sad. Hugs for whoever the closeted trans girl was?

[Lyesmith]

I'm quietly enjoying some irony here.

At least, I think it's irony. I should probably ask you guys about it.

Is it actually ironic if a cis girl says "Sorry, I'm a lesbian" to a closeted trans girl?

Which cis? Cis is a useless prefix on its own because it's used for both cissexual and cisgendered (both of which, imo, are stupid words - a case could be made for cisgendered, but cissexual is right out), so a bit of clarification?

I can, however, see the irony.

[Serpentine]

Uh... he said "cis girl". As in, "a person whose brain matches their biology with regard to their sex", as in "a non-transexual female". Pretty standard terminology for 'round these parts. I've never even heard "cisgender" used except as a gender-neutral way of saying the above, and never heard "cissexual" as far as I'm aware, and unless it also means the above, I don't know what it'd refer to

[Coidzor]

Is it actually ironic if a cis girl says "Sorry, I'm a lesbian" to a closeted trans girl?

I'm going to go with no in this case.

1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.
Literature.
a.
a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b.
(especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3.
Socratic irony.
4.
dramatic irony.
5.
an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

Socratic irony
 
noun
pretended ignorance in discussion.

dramatic irony
 
noun
irony that is inherent in speeches or a situation of a drama and is understood by the audience but not grasped by the characters in the play.

So, if this were to have been in a play, there might be a corner case argument for it, however, we'd have to know that the stated lesbian would include transwomen in her preferences in order to even have that.

Or if the stated lesbian was lying about being a lesbian in order to dissuade the (presumably) male presenting MtF, that might also be irony, but I think it might be more likely to just count as lying and nothing really ironical about it.

Uh... he said "cis girl". As in, "a person whose brain matches their biology with regard to their sex", as in "a non-transexual female". Pretty standard terminology for 'round these parts. I've never even heard "cisgender" used except as a gender-neutral way of saying the above, and never heard "cissexual" as far as I'm aware, and unless it also means the above, I don't know what it'd refer to

It does seem sort of redundant to say cissexual rather than just cisgendered, from my understanding of things.

As, barring some kind of involuntary surgical procedure, if one is not trans, generally one has the physical sex that biology deigned to give one's self... And I'm not sure if one counts as cis or double trans if one is surgically altered back to one's birth sex.... Kind of a convoluted bag of worms, that.

[golentan]

I would say it's not ironic, because attraction follows it's own rules and just because someone is a woman does not mean that people who are attracted to females do or should have any more attraction to them than would otherwise be expected given that they are still biologically male. And it's (frankly) not fair to expect otherwise.

Does it kinda suck? Yeah. But that's life.

[Qaera]

Real irony isn't ironic, these days.

~ ♅

[Heliomance]

I was ironic when iron was still underground.

[Worlok]

Well damn, that's so metal!

[Al'izh'dheg]

*giggle* You all are crazy. I love coming here because you make me smile. :)

[Yora]

It does seem sort of redundant to say cissexual rather than just cisgendered, from my understanding of things.

I think of sex as something that is given and set, whereas gender is a variable. If you have to use the terminology at all, cisgendered seems to make more sense.

(I'm with lyesmith here)

[Lissou]

I think there is no guarantee the woman would have been attracted to the MtF had she been cis. It's just an easier excuse to use and therefore and easier way to tell someone you're not interested, and in most cases they don't insist. I'm not saying she was lying, just that it's easier to say that and leave it at that.

That kind of things happens all the time. Someone hits on you that you'd have no interest in. You say you're taken. It's true, but it's also easier to say that and leave it at that than say you also wouldn't have been interested anyways. It's seen as less hurtful for the other person.

[Yora]

How glad am I to be pansexual? No more worrying about anothers person displayed or hidden sex or gender. Whatever you fill into "Sorry, I never told I am really a ______.", it's okay with me.

[Qaera]

How glad am I to be pansexual? No more worrying about anothers person displayed or hidden sex or gender. Whatever you fill into "Sorry, I never told I am really a ______.", it's okay with me.

Yhup, it is pretty awesome.

~ ♅

[Astrella]

Agreed.

[Gardener]

I think there is no guarantee the woman would have been attracted to the MtF had she been cis. It's just an easier excuse to use and therefore and easier way to tell someone you're not interested, and in most cases they don't insist. I'm not saying she was lying, just that it's easier to say that and leave it at that.

That kind of things happens all the time. Someone hits on you that you'd have no interest in. You say you're taken. It's true, but it's also easier to say that and leave it at that than say you also wouldn't have been interested anyways. It's seen as less hurtful for the other person.

Well, yeah. But in this case, her choice of "less hurtful" thing to say was "You're not a woman". I'm sure you can see how that can be upsetting, even if she had no way of knowing it would be. And I'm not saying she acted badly or wrongly. It's just an unfortunate confluence of events, largely due to concealed information - hence why I was tempted to call it ironic, because the only thing stopping it from being dramatic irony is that it happened in real life, not a play.

My issue is something like this: Is it really that hard to leave it at "no"? Or are guys really so pushy that you need to head off the inevitable "Why not?" before it's even asked?

[Dogmantra]

How glad am I to be pansexual? No more worrying about anothers person displayed or hidden sex or gender. Whatever you fill into "Sorry, I never told I am really a ______.", it's okay with me.

Yhup, it is pretty awesome.

~ ♅

Agreed.

Other than the three different kinds of people who disbelieve that your sexuality exists and the greatly increased chance that a crush will find it impossible to reciprocate the feelings based entirely on your sex (which at least for me is something I can't comprehend and I'm assuming lots of other sanpexuals think the same way) yeah, it's pretty great.