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2012-11-23, 04:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Can we just do another music thread?
Tentatively speaking, yes.
If anyone's got a spare fifteen minutes and wants to put together their own, here's the link. I like charts.Avatar by Kris on a Stick
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2012-11-23, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure if your list makes me feel out of touch, out of date, seriously uncool or what else..because I know or have heard of... about 5-6 people/bands from your list
anyway, here is mine, which is by no means complete and mostly just a sum of what I'm listening to..this month.. I do blame the random button on my computer for some of these choices.
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2012-11-23, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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I, too, like charts.
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Warning: high concentration of metal.Awesome fremetar by wxdruid.
From the discomfort of truth there is only one refuge and that is ignorance. I do not need to be comfortable, and I will not take refuge. I demand to *know*.
So I guess I have an internets? | And a trophy. | And a music cookie (whatever that is).
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2012-11-26, 05:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-26, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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dug up this little gem
because if putin plays the accordion, you know it's instant awesome
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2012-11-26, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Today I listened to lots and lots of Jim's Big Ego, Holstein and Tipo Uísque.
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2012-11-27, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-27, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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My shot at the chart:
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It's missing loads of things I consider essential... it's a bit of a myopic exercise. Still, kinda fun.Wonder Woman (DC Girls in Sweaters Style) Avatar by Astrella.
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2012-11-27, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Awesome fremetar by wxdruid.
From the discomfort of truth there is only one refuge and that is ignorance. I do not need to be comfortable, and I will not take refuge. I demand to *know*.
So I guess I have an internets? | And a trophy. | And a music cookie (whatever that is).
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2012-11-28, 02:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 04:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Awesome fremetar by wxdruid.
From the discomfort of truth there is only one refuge and that is ignorance. I do not need to be comfortable, and I will not take refuge. I demand to *know*.
So I guess I have an internets? | And a trophy. | And a music cookie (whatever that is).
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2012-11-28, 04:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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you are all mistaken
there are only 2 genres of music:
classical, folk/pop.
every further classification is just a case of "let's have a lot of different categories, so everybody can be a winner" like they do with track and field and swimming...in other words, frippery
...no, I don't really think it's quite that simple..but the over-classification that comes with certain genres is often rather pointless.
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2012-11-28, 07:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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History time!
Or what I stumbled upon by semi-blindly cruising around YouTube:
Yello - this tune was widely used whenever motor sports were presented in TV and this one is 80's at it's most bizzare. What's more, they are still active and quite diverse (it's not like they didn't jump between genres before).
Pentangle - they sound a bit like a mix of Clannad and Moody Blues. Passionate yet delicate: No Love Is Sorrow, House Carpenter, Hunting Song.
Możdżer, Danielsson and Fresco - fantastic collaboration. I'm not even sure, what kind of music it is (jazz?), but it's worth listening to: Incognitor, Asta, The Time Sortorello.In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2012-11-28, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Folk music—academically defined as music having particular local character and exclusive local interest—was systematically assimilated into popular music with the invention of the radio, and doesn't really exist anymore. Maybe that's just an old definition, though, with an old concept of location. I'm sure everyone here can name at least a handful of musicians who are only popular on the Internet and whose style is distinctly that of the Internet; are they folk musicians?
And I'll check those out, Radar! I think I usually like your recommendations.
ETA: I'm studying this Chopin piece and I ran into what might be my new favorite word. Smorzando, fading away.Last edited by Kindablue; 2012-11-28 at 10:48 AM.
... I came to appreciate that mountains make poor receptacles for dreams.
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2012-11-28, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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I tried, I honestly did. But my short attention span got the better of me by the time I got to 25.
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2012-11-28, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pentangle! An old favorite of mine. RIP Bert Jansch
As for genres, I think they're more useful for describing songs than bands, let alone overarching movements. But interesting and/or fun in an "over-analysis" sort of way. Finding where lines are drawn and using them. Seeing how things are similar, and how they are different.
So, yes, Post-Punk and New Wave both grew out of the Punk of the 70s. But they diverged and each grew their own identities. There definitely are some artists that straddled the line (Fad Gadget comes to mind), but to say they're the same would be to say that they're both still punk. Devo you could maybe argue, but not a lot of other new wave really fits with that anymore. You can see more of the punk rock aesthetics and ideas in post-punk, however. Ultimately it really boils down to "do you like this song?" which is the only really important measure of music.
If we want to nitpick (because it's fun) "classical" is a horrible genre name for orchestral music, since that only really covers about 100 years. But you say classical music, and people generally know what you're talking about.
Tried putting together one of those charts, but even limiting myself to one album per artist, there's way too many things I love.
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2012-11-28, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wonder Woman (DC Girls in Sweaters Style) Avatar by Astrella.
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2012-11-28, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-28, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, sometime before the year is out, we're due in for the new Ratatat and MGMT albums (coincidentally, two great sounds that sound great together), and a new Franz Ferdinand album next January, so I'm pretty excited.
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2012-11-28, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I suppose that's just another way to phrase this whole debate then, isn't it? "Did they get their own identities" and I gotta say; no I don't think they did. In the days before this distinction made people rabid I was happily calling Joy Division and This Heat "new wave" to no problems at all. I think any "distinction" is an invention of the genre-philes.
Yeah but that doesn't mean we can't talk about genres. That's kind of a cop out.
Oh god no, MGMT. I better start the preparations then.
"Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil..."Last edited by DJ Yung Crunk; 2012-11-28 at 10:36 PM.
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2012-11-29, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Anyone ever listen to The Sonics, or 60s garage rock in general? That stuff's fantastic. I'm still working my way through Nuggets, it's quite a bit to digest...
@Crunk: post-punk is not "darker, edgier" new wave. No one is saying that but you. Just because there is overlap, doesn't mean they're fundamentally the same genre. It's like saying dreampop and shoegaze are the same thing.
Hey Raistlin, do you like indie rock?
Also, if 50's not doing it, here's a 100 album chart.Last edited by Moff Chumley; 2012-11-29 at 11:42 AM.
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2012-11-29, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, let's take Joy Division, good example. They started as a straight-up punk band (under the name Warsaw). Drifted away from that into a new sound that was still clearly related to punk (Shadowplay is a good example). The two albums they released were absolutely post-punk (Closer being, er, closer to what would eventually be goth, but there's stil a lot of punk influence on that record). Now, Love Will Tear Us Apart you could call new wave. But you can also hear how it sounds different than the rest of their catalogue. Had Ian stuck around, they probably would have been a new wave band.
Bands change and evolve. As I said, genres are much better for song descriptions than they are for band descriptions. But you can hear the difference between LWTUA and anything off Unknown Pleasures, right? Hell, LWTUA has him CROONING! Anyway, the difference between the two, for my money, is how they relate to punk. And again, plenty of crossover and borderline cases (Devo and Fad Gadget) but staying in one genre forever is kinda boring. And the days before this distinction were approximately 1977-80, which was before my time, but by the time I started discovering post-punk (early 90s) it wasn't even an argument.
It's a bit trollish calling me out for saying genres don't ultimately matter beyond academic discussion when you claimed the only difference between two genres is held by "genre-philes". But anyway, no hard feelings, and I do find these discussions interesting. I've explained the point where I feel the two genres diverge. I'd be interested to hear a counterpoint to that.
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2012-11-29, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-29, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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I got nothing on this paragraph. I can't exactly disagree that bands change their sound over time, can I?
My response to this is a series of questions regarding common inconsistencies in the distinction. I asked them in the metal thread (are we really discussing this on two threads?) I do have to ask you to elaborate on how post punk and new wave each "relate to punk" because that could potentially be a mind changer but you don't really go into any detail.
I don't understand how it's trollish. You said genres don't matter and I say that genres matter too much (yes I know it's a little more complex than that, it's four in the morning you can fill in the blanks.) That's kind of different, wouldn't you say?
Of course I'm the only one saying it. Someone really invested in the fictional distinction probably doesn't want to phrase it in a way that makes it sound as silly as it is. Dream pop and shoegaze has, what I'd like to call, a hazy border seperating the two. There's overlap but they are distinct. New wave and post punk is like one of those venn diagrams which is just one circle with thicker edges on either side.Last edited by DJ Yung Crunk; 2012-11-29 at 02:00 PM.
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2012-11-29, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not that I care very much about this distinction, but here's how I think about it. This is a classic-sounding post-punk song. It has a pretty quick tempo and the driving melodic instrument is the bass more than the guitar. It's punky in that it's a fast song and still uses the basic punk instrument setup of a bass, guitar, and drums. However, the use of the guitar as a more rhythm instrument and the conversion of the bass into the chief melodic instrument does two things to the "feel" of the song. Firstly, it knocks off a lot of the punk "edge". The relatively clean sound of the guitar and the fact that it's used sparingly makes the music have less urgency. Compare that song to this one. The Ramones track is actually slower, but the guitar gives it more direction. The second, more important distinction, is the amount of "space" in the mix. Grinding Halt has a lot of space. Literally, the amount of reverb and echo used in the production makes it seem like it's being performed in a large, caverous warehouse, but more importantly, there are sections with very little guitar, and understated bass, with only the occasional snare drum hit. This isn't to say that the liberal use of space can't be applied to regular punk, but it's pretty typical of many post-punk songs.
By contrast, here is a decently typical early New Wave (1981) song. It's more similar to the traditional punk music, because there is less space and the guitar is used in a more dominant role. However, the introduction of the synthesizer as a melodic instrument sets it apart from a lot of post-punk and punk music, and the use of dub and reggae beats with the bass and drums puts it more in the experimental, late Clash type punk music than the more general Ramones/Sex Pistols style. Here is another example from a year and a half after the last song. It's noticable different from punk music, and incorporates a lot of dub influences, and uses a lot of texturing with the synthesizer. It's not very punk at all, yet also isn't dissimilar from the Duran Duran song, in terms of where the movement had gone.
In finding the difference, it's sort of hard to point things out, because the most important bands all shuffled around (while The Cure never went New Wave, their mid and later material was nothing resembling post-punk, for example). I'd argue that post-punk kept within a lot of punk parameters, but made a few noticeable changes, to basically make punk songs that pushed the limits of what it meant to be "punk". If you played Grinding Halt to Johnny Rotten circa 1975, he probably wouldn't consider it punk, but it uses punk conventions to make a new sound. By contrast, New Wave was far more open to experimentation, and was also more popular, meaning it branched out pretty quickly, with some acts going extremely heavy on the synthesizer, and others incorporating a lot of non-punk influences into their sound. For me, that's the fundamental difference. Post-punk didn't stick around for too long in the public consciousness, but was fundamentally punk music, just done with different instruments or melody/rhythm setups, while New Wave morphed into something else entirely.