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Thread: My Little Pony XXII: Surprise!
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2011-09-06, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have tiger's blood yo!
That is no good. On the plus side, things will most likely get better. Good luck with the rest of it!
Thanks!
Thanks.
I see it as Pony Thread has a limited Luck Pool (LP), and when each poster wishes someone luck, it is drained by X LP points. If the Luck Pool drops to 0, no luck is transferred, otherwise it will work like a charm. The LP is fueled by us burning through pages, so the faster we post, the more LP we regain. The maximum LP level is determined by the number of active posters on the thread.
Something like:
LP = Active Posters (AP) * Arbitrary Number (AN)
LP Rejuvenation = Number of Posts (NP) / Time (T)
Also, first day went well thanks! Now just....15-20 weeks to go!
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Ask me about our low price vacation plans in the Elemental Plane of Puppies and PieSpoiler
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2011-09-06, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh god, I've done that. Twice. One year I showed up for class after Easter/Passover break, only to find out I was a day early. Another year I was taking a summer class, and showed up a day before classes started.
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Well, at least you aren't being driven cupcakes.Last edited by Kurgan; 2011-09-06 at 02:32 PM.
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2011-09-06, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Has anyone heard when on the seventeenth the new episode is supposed to air? I'm really hoping that Frontier's built in TV guide search thing is wrong, because I just flat out dislike the idea of getting up at six in order to watch ponies.
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2011-09-06, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ask me about our low price vacation plans in the Elemental Plane of Puppies and PieSpoiler
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2011-09-06, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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*From within a massive pile of bb code, imagedumps, half-constructed airships, and innumerable cowboy hats, Capt. Ido finally breaks free into the sunlight*
*actually it's raining, he realizes*
Holy APPLES that took a while to work through! I chose a heck of a weekend to not pay attention to the internet! And of course it would coincide with SiuiS and Braz coming back with their amazing Megaposts
Phew! So, fifteen pages and several hours later, let's get down to business! To DEFEAT. THE HUNS.
I'll put my hat in with the rest of them saying that I would pay SO MUCH money if I could have a real-to-show RD to call my own. And when I build my Pantheon of Cartoons, MLP:FiM's spot is reserved among the greats. Right now I'll have to console myself with mini-dash that I keep in my desk.
I'm still having trouble figuring out if I've legitimately found something first, or if it's been posted like ten pages ago. This place moves soooo darn fast.
Good old days indeed! Caffeine is one of the very real things that very really got me through my last year and a half of my computer science degree. Liters of Dr. Pepper, cases of Foosh, gallons of coffee... I didn't even DRINK coffee until my senior year! It was actually a barganing chip when I approached a professor about a possible overload of coursework: "Hey uh, I've had more cups of coffee in the last day than I've had hours of sleep, and I don't drink coffee. Since then, I straddle the line of need-versus-want, so I try and run caffeine detoxes every other month or so. It's hard, but worth it!
As much as I love alternative interpretations or logical and consistent extensions of characters, I just CANNOT get myself to read fanfiction. It's just... it's a wall I can't get over. I think "hm, maybe I'll reaNOPE". Dunno why. Drives my near and dear brony brother up the wall sometimes, I think haha.
Glad you liked it! It was a ton of fun to draw, and also hide those away haha. It's how I work my bronihood out in the public sphere: blatent to those who know, indecipherable gibberish to everyone else
note:literally as I was typing the next paragraph, a friend im'd me to ask me about the meaning of the /)^3^(\ thing I'd been using on twitter. Here is the transcript:
SpoilerFriend: question for you
me: yes?
Friend: what does this emoticon represent: /)^3^(\
i have seen you use it a few times
me: haha
it's like a * glee * face
you have the ^_^ eyes
Friend: right
and the 3 mouth?
me: and the /) (\ are hands to the head
it's just a silly mouth
Friend: ooh
ok
me: almost like you're smooshing your face in
Friend: i get it
yeah
me: "so awesome"
Friend: did you make it up, or is that one you found?
me: it's one that i've found :P
Friend: mk
: )
i wondered about it the last time you used it a ways back
forgot about it
then saw you use it today, whcih reminded me
me: okay ^^
glad to help!
Oh, we had a blast in D&D, no doubt. Once we found out that we were in no obvious danger of permadeath due to our Groundhog Day loop time things, the one thing that we did spend a lot of time and energy worrying about was losing all our loot, which we specifically couldn't keep due to our Groundhog Day loop that was keeping us alive
Okay, I didn't intend to quote this, but I saw it as I was picking through the Megaquote, and now I'm going to have to go back and find this discussion, because it looks *really* interesting =0
Seriously, this is shaping up to be a fantastic September! I'm looking at MLP season 2, mythbusters season 10, Minecraft Adventure update, my 8 month work project launches TOMORROW, and several other items of note. Also TF2's been giving me good drops!
I'm fine! We're all fine! The nuclear powerplants down at Lake Anna were less than 10 miles away from the epicenter, but they had little to no damage. They did a lockdown immediately and as far as we know, nothing bad happened. Incidentally, Lake Anna is an awesome place. They pump the lakewater for the reactor coolant from one end of the lake, and pump it back into the lake on the other end. You literally have warm and cold ends to the lake.
The Washington Monument isn't leaning so bad, but it looks like it's closed indefinitely until they can get it all fixed up. It's a shame, they spent so much time and money on the restoration project maybe a decade ago...
Brilliant
HD videos on YouTube! I'm not a complete animal My HD channels are just random and huge numbers, so I never really bother to scroll down that far. Besides, I have like 250-260 as all the regular good ones (including Disney XD, Nicktoons, Boomerang, and now the Hub) clustered together for my viewing pleasure. But! Now I know, and have seen the proper glory of an HD live MLP broadcast. There was even a Derpy in it!
I'm pretty late to this, but I like the Gala Dress picture too! It works best for the subject, I think.
I can't help but notice that anytime anyone responds to this, the number only increases...
Also, apparently there's a brony list that exists but I can't seem to find it, even in OP. I can always just be straight up blind, this is a possibility that exists.
Ever since I heard about the wraforged, there is nothing more that I want in this world than to play one of those lovlies. Shapeshifting into Thomas the Tank Engine would be the cherry on top of that delicious rp sundae
Originally Posted by The Amish Praty
*note: at this point, Ido discovered the third SiuiS post that he specifically wanted to quote, and started softly weeping to himself*
I don't have an exact source for this, but I swear I saw a post or screenshot somewhere where someone had asked Lauren Faust if it was Aloysius or Owlysius, to which the answer boiled down to "Well it's Aloysius, but now I totally wish I had thought of Owlysius at the time because that's totally what I would used instead."
So I feel justified in using Owlysius
I feel like no matter what, MSPA is always a good thing to have read! And the 4 quadrants make everything more compartmentalizable, once you explain it to points of interest!
Ever since my first exposure to the H*R Wiki, I have been nothing short of impressed at the level of Serious Business that I now expect from fan wikis. It is funny though, to be thinking over troll relationships, and then have that moment where I remember they don't apply to me because i'm not a troll.
I like to imagine, as opposed to a regular old chart, that a true and proper Shipping Wall will contain the full combinatorial exploration of all possible shipping combinations, with speculation and commentary covering most of these entries. Nepta's wall had all twelve trolls shipped between each other across all four quadrants, and actively updated it with current relationship statuses and current possibilities.
Incidentally, an acquaintance of mine found himself on a shipping wall, paired with Twitter. I don't remember if they were moirails or not.
I'm the worst at actually checking in on people when they're actually on the Pony Servers (though Trixie is quite the dear at reminding me =p) but I'll try and hop in and give you a hand if you need it! I can say (finally) that I'm not bad at TF2, and I certainly have a lot of head knowledge even if I don't actually use it, so I wouldn't mind giving a few helping hands. Also, I'll try to not backstab you too much because...
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I lol'd
Look I'm not going to lie, I set to quote this and I have completely forgotten why. Now it's an hour later and I've lost all context. Quite frankly this scares me ^^;;
This... actually isn't a bad idea! I can't really stand grimdark cupcakes Pinkamena, it's just not her! Now I have a way to fight back
Yeah I mentioned this earlier but I'll ask proper this time: hey, where is that list?
I also wouldn't be opposed to a steamname list. I do change my name a fair bit, though. (I'll look into that Pony Revolution group too, Trixie!)
I've had to be on the DL concerning pony servers lately. Almost nobody knows about my Pony obsession, and I try to keep it that way. Since a lot of my college friends have a tendancy to just follow me into a server if I'm the only one online, I have to keep my time in pony servers... well I have to keep an eye on how often they find me in there. You can get into random servers all you want on the pubcrawl, but you can only be found in the same circles so many times before conclusions are drawn...
I absolutely agree You two are amazing.
And this is why ponies.
Love it! Did you draw it yourself, because it looks great :D
Good luck Esper! Internships can be crazy crazy beasts, but tons of good experience. Here's hoping they give you interesting work!
We made out intern build a bridge the sales pit ordered from skymall
This disturbingly makes sense... I'm going to have to pencil in "vengeful planet gods" into my worldview now. Huh...
Hurr hurr, drams.
Here's what you do. Regardless of which weapons you pick exactly, you go to your pyro loadout:
Primary Flamethrower: "Okey"
Secondary Weapon: "Dokey"
Melee: "Loki"
I love you guys so much, have I said that yet?
Hmmm, I'm not convinced.
I'd pay to watch a fight between the metaphysical representations of the board filter and classical literature fight in a cagematch
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BAM! Slow work day is slow. Three and a half hours later, I am caught the hay UP!
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Except of course for everyone that has posted since then, and the odd other thing I wanted to say outside of a quote reply but that comes later
Hugs and love, ponythread! Stay awesome
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2011-09-06, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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The list can be found at the bottom of the opening post or in the first line of my signature.
It is hard to find a picture of something that may or may not exist. I honestly figured that at least a few people would draw GaP Trixie's fireworks pose. I may just have to end piecing together a few things.My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic: The Thread, The Game, The Tumblr.
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2011-09-06, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-06, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've decided to just piece together something with a picture I found similar to that but I was hoping there was... actually I'm not really sure what I was hoping for.
And yes Capt. the answer is that you are blind. It is understandable though, not everyone looks at signatures, and honestly how many people that are frequent posters check the opening post.My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic: The Thread, The Game, The Tumblr.
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2011-09-06, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Have you tried one of the Chocolate Hammer servers? You can find them in the Steam thread. They aren't pony servers, but they are servers largely populated by Playgrounders. Which means at any given time about half the people online have a pony as their avatar. So yeah, pony love is at the very least not hated on there, and there's enough of a non-brony population that you could safely claim you just like the server.
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2011-09-06, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Overhours and TF2 really cut into my pony time budget. I need to get fired. Otherwise posting will be rare for some time.
I can relate to that
And to that.
They are not allowed to read them and publicly announce that. That doesn't mean they don't read them. It just means the lawyers will filter anything anything. I think Esper (good luck with internship btw) mentioned once that t takes so long to produce a episodes because the legal department makes sure that there is no copyright or intellectual property infringement.
Male genitalia?
I knew it.
Nice image dump, but I don't get that one. Explanation?
Or they think the parents won't bother to actually relay the complaints. But my pet theory is that they make them subpar because then girls have reason to mod them.
How did I miss these? Shame on me.
Live is brutal.
But my hair is getting shorter too. When you job is to play around with the software that keeps the tax investigations away and pay checks on time customers expect you to shave.
How can you pronounce "liche" as a consonant? Are we talking about a single sound like "k", or like the longer version "kay", with a vowel? Now I need to either put some wires into your brain to read your mind, or give you mutagen so you grow more tongues.
And now on to murdering some people. I hope Trixie is around. She only shoot me three times in the face yesterday.
PS: Did you know that there is a MLP clone called "Filly Fairies"?
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2011-09-06, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks to Dirty Tabs for the Travis pony.
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Thanks to A Thousand Words for the My Little Simhata avatar, and thanks to Trixie for fixing the cropping.
Breakdown Twilight from Pony Halloween celebration, thanks to Thanqol.
Thanks to Akrim.Elf for the awesome Laharl pony.
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2011-09-06, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic: The Thread, The Game, The Tumblr.
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I'm amazed at how much someone can miss things that are in plain sight. I did honestly make an effort to find that list, haha. Oh well! Thanks for pointing it out politely ^^;;
Oh, I've definitely favorited... well I thought there was only one ChHa server, but it sounds like there's more? That's definitely been a great server, I've been there a few times already. It kept being empty when I wanted to hop in this weekend though, so that was sad.
About being careful with my friends, I'm talking about them trying to follow me into a LEGEND OF PONIES server, that was password protected with a very ponies-related term. I had even used my pinkie-spy spray in a prominent place in spawn. We were playing online, but I had the straightest pokerface I'd ever run.
I'm pretty sure it's the login name. Like, 75% sure. I'll add mine, and folks can see if it works or not. If it works, let me know who you are so I don't ignore you accidentally.Last edited by Capt. Ido Nos; 2011-09-06 at 03:35 PM.
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Ooh! I like this one! With the added description "Muddying the issue since Applebuck Season 2010". Nice. Thanks!
Hehe, also good. I saw someone with a strange knife called "Pokey Pierce" a while back.
Seriously tempting, though I'd have to kill someone with each weapon once before they would get the reference. That or get them to spectate me for a while.
Oh, something else I'm gonna go for:
1: Get a Madame Dixie and paint it green.
2: Put it on the pyro, along with the Summer Shades.
3: Rename the hat to "Fluttershy's Disguise"
That sounds terrible.
I must go look it up.
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2011-09-06, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alright, another write up, this time on GEMS!
On Gems, there Magical uses, and there scarcity.
SpoilerIn Equestria, gems are considered to be many things. While most see them as valuable due to their beauty, and rightly so, others value them for their many magical uses. This is due to one undeniable fact: gems can hold and retain magic better than any other material on the planet. While it is true that anything can be enchanted by the proper spells or runes, none can take in more without disintegrating or warping than a properly cut gem. The exact properties of an individual gemstone cannot be seen without proper identification or the eye of a skilled Geomancer, but only the most common gems have no magical use.
Now, when dealing with magic-enhanced gems, it is always important never to put more magic within it than the first spell cast upon it did. Overloading a gemstone often results in magically-charged wounds that take special care and effort to heal. As such, only the freshest gems should be used in magi craft, but a quick check with a magic-detecting spell should be used just in case.
As for actual magic gems, the one any pony could name are the physical forms of the Elements of Harmony. Along with these artifacts, well known magical gems include the twelve crown jewels of the Sea Queen, a ancient hippocampi queen of ages past, which can purify any body of water with a touch, to the legendary black ruby that is said lay within a pre-historic diamond dog vault in the gray wastes of Preng which is, according to legend, able to allow those who touch it visions of the future but cause madness.
Naturally, there are more common magical gems to be found. Cold-lights have been used by the Goats to light there halls in places that fire would be impractical, and the Deer have made use of seeing-stones hidden into trees to track visitors in there realms for ages. Even if a gem is not magically in powered, they are still of value for arcanests. For a properly cut gem makes for a fine magical focus, and it has become almost a form of art among certain circles about tastefully incorporating large gems into places convenient for unicorn clientele.
One example of this can be seen in the crown of the Princess herself. The large jewel incorporated into the crown has is used by the Princess in focusing magic that, if it were not contained and directed by the gem, would cause harm to anything within her spell. However, most spell casters do not have so much magical power that they need a magical focus to avoid damaging objects around them. Rather, they use a gem to "reflect" magical power much like one could reflect and scatter light with one. As such, they are often used when performing delicate rituals that could fail due to magical overload, such as healing rituals.
Equestria is often noted for the huge supply of gems within its borders. It is said by the diamond dog packs that roam the underground that there is nowhere else in the world that has more gems, besides perhaps the mines of the Goats, but these are simply ripe for the taking. Even the dragons have noticed Equestrians gems, and many a young adult without a established territory has found the borders of the land easy living, able to consume as many as they want without resorting to raiding others hoards or plundering the cities of the goats. However, this was not always the case. In fact, it was not before the War of the Nightmare that the great gem fields that the land is known for appeared.
The reason behind this upsurge in gems has been thought to have been anything from a great spell, which explains the pre-cut form they are in, to a great disaster underground, which would explain the prevalence of the gems even in places a spell could not reach. In any case, the only ones who likely know for sure are the princesses, but they are strangely silent on the subject.
The sorta-rough draft on gemstones. Questions? Comments?
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Ask me about our low price vacation plans in the Elemental Plane of Puppies and PieSpoiler
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I see you got my name on the list. My steam name is Betrooper if you want to put it on.
Cool. This is my fannon for why the diamond dogs like gems so much
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First day of the internship is over and done with, and I can say without hesitation that I'm absolutely going to be able to handle this.
It's exactly what I was expecting, and that means I'll be able to do it. Move forwards, and continue without faltering.
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Thanks to Dirty Tabs for the Travis pony.
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Thanks to A Thousand Words for the My Little Simhata avatar, and thanks to Trixie for fixing the cropping.
Breakdown Twilight from Pony Halloween celebration, thanks to Thanqol.
Thanks to Akrim.Elf for the awesome Laharl pony.
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Congratulations!
.....the sea ponies?
EDIT: This...is indescribable.
And so is this. Warning: some language.Last edited by Gamerlord; 2011-09-06 at 04:40 PM.
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Personally I like this explanation.
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I was thinking a little about the aerial combat in Equestria posted earlier in this thread I got some additional ideas...
Spoiler1: War Sky Chariot
In the first episode, we see Twilight traveling to Ponyville via Royal Chariot (the evidence that this is a Royal Chariot is that Celestia herself uses this mode of transportation in "Swarm of the Century.") In our world, the chariot was an ancient form of troop transportation/heavy weapons platform, so not unlike the modern Tank. Seeing pegasi being able to carry a Chariot adds the powers of flight to the uses, but the general purpose of weapons platform remains the same. Most likely, a Pegasus and 1-2 Earth Ponies/Unicorns would be assigned to one chariot; the Pegasus controls the chariot while the crew mates, such as Earth Ponies armed with guns or rockets or a Unicorn well-versed in the magics of war.
2: Hot Air Balloon/Airship/Zeppelin
What if say, the pegasi collectively rebelled? At glance, Celestia's forces are up the creak, since the pegasi have a major advantage in the sky, and the vehicles demonstrated so far require a pegasus' help in order for it work. Employing mass butterfly wings on everypony is not only inefficient because of the tiring out the unicorns, but also the flammability of wings makes them unsuited for war. Enter, the Airship.
The Hot Air Balloon appears in the MLP opening, and in "Sonic Rainboom" used by Twilight and the rest of her friends. However, we have not seen any planes or similar aircraft in the show. This puts Equestria's tech at around the early 19th century, where the only way to fly is to go on a hot air balloon. A hot air balloon could be used in several ways, such as a troop transport for ponies (enchanted by a walk on clouds spell) to storm a Pegasi city/fortress. The hot air balloon could also be used for deploying allied pegasi, or be used for launching rockets and dropping bombs. It also can be used for scouting, since the higher view is advantageous for spotting approaching enemy armies.
Admittedly, the hot air balloon is a venerable weapon, since a skilled pegasi could rip a hole in the balloon, or it could violently explode if filled with Hydrogen rather than Helium.you know that I'm more than just a doll do you?-Geno
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