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2012-01-18, 06:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ponythread Learns to Draw! Together!
I know it's part of the style, but that square jaw Rainbow has going looks really bad to me, at least from that angle. She looks both old and male. Secondly, the detail on the cyber eye isn't really visible at this resolution, and looks kinda blurry as a result. I couldn't tell what was happening until I remembered that's what it was.
The wing curve and Scootaloo are both really good, though, and the backgrounds generally work, especially the stained glass window.
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2012-01-18, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, like I said, I like to think that my grasp of pony anatomy improved over time. I don't think I really want to keep fixing this one, however, so I'll let it stay how it is. That's how I was drawing ponies back then.
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Eh, ferk it. It's a small fix and I've got time.
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Better? I've even thrown some shady work in.
(Amusingly, early in the draft for this one I wanted to show RS from the other side. I quickly realised that a wing full of metallic slice-you-to-ribbons-sharp "feathers" isn't going to work for an empathic embrace. :P)Last edited by Sean Mirrsen; 2012-01-18 at 09:11 AM.
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2012-01-18, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hi there everyone.
Not a fan of the realistic texturing, but that's a style thing. You pull it off well. One thing I do notice are the shadows. Dash and Scoots are standing in the sunlight, so they should have shadows projecting towards the bottom and left of the picture, not strait left. The shading itself looks angled right, it's just the shadows.
Then there's this small nitpick: Dash's tail has each colour band a very different length (like her mane) yours looks a bit weird because it's mostly all the same length.
I really dig the posing. The way RD is not putting any weight on her bad leg, the curve of her wing, very nice.
Here's something I made. It's very simple, but I'm still learning how to draw on a tablet (it's really nothing like pencils ) and the art program that came with it.
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2012-01-18, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you to everyone who helped critique my last picture, it really helped. I'm not going to do a big quote post right now, so I'll just show you what I got.
I lost my connection yesterday so I couldn't post it, but I wored on that pic, tweaking it. A lot. I think Twilight's body looks a little better now, though I'm finding it hard to get decent reference pics for a pony sitting down from the front.
I think the swords look much better now, though getting the look of Twilight's sword at that angle was murder.
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And today's picture, my first time drawing Princess Celestia's full body. Found this one tricky, but not too hard. She has weird bendy legs though. Rear left leg looks terrible, and I only just noticed >_<
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Oh, and thank you, Thanqol, for those tutorial pics. I had most of them, but the mouth one and the horse in motion will be very helpful.
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2012-01-18, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yep, the swords look much better. I can clearly see who's swinging what where and how it all ends up. Twilight, on the other hand, just had a fat transplant from the abdomen to the "plot". XD Don't get me wrong, it looks a lot better. But you'll never see a pony sit like this. The hindquarters of a pony end exactly where their legs end, with no "bump" to sit on. I'm not sure if I'm conveying what I mean properly, so maybe I'll just do a quick redline (and make sense of it myself), stay tuned.
And today's picture, my first time drawing Princess Celestia's full body. Found this one tricky, but not too hard. She has weird bendy legs though. Rear left leg looks terrible, and I only just noticed >_<
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edit: okay, I'm not sure if it's actually correct, as it's two past midnight and I don't put too much trust in my anatomy knowledge even in normal circumstances, but at least this looks more correct, to my eye, than it was. I think I found the problem you were having with trying to depict the pose - when Twilight would be sitting, the cannons (i.e. the lower legs) are more or less parallel to the ground, and them being angled creates an illusion of an inclined plane, which doesn't match your chosen perspective.
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I don't know if providing redline corrections without being asked to is considered in good or bad tone between artists, but feel free to make use of my insights, should you find them useful.Last edited by Sean Mirrsen; 2012-01-18 at 04:51 PM.
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2012-01-18, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ohhhhhhhhh! Okay, yeah, I getcha. I clearly misunderstood. Thanks, that actually really helps! As I said, I found it quite hard to get a reference for that kind of pose. The best I could get was this:
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...which I think you'll agree, wasn't much help in this case ^^:
Odd bendy legs and a slight squareness of the jaw, plus she needs to banish whoever made that harness for her. Other than that, a lot truer to form than my last attempt at her. (where I forgot exactly how long her legs actually are.. made her look like some kind of dwarf. And I only noticed like a month after making it.)
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I see what you mean about the jaw, but what's wrong with the harness? Is it because it's off-centre?
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2012-01-19, 12:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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The magic sword fight is much better!
On Celestia, it looks fine besides what Sean Mirrsen pointed out. The only thing I have to add is that the wings look like their placed a little bit too far down her back. If you look at the curve of the first line on the wings on the picture you posted, they begin back there in the lower middle of her body, but still more forward then the beginnings of her hind legs.
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Well, your picture may be simple but it's nice. So it looks like your tablet skills are coming along fine. And it really isn't anything like drawing with a pencil. To me it always seemed like it's closer to drawing with a pen-ish type thing.
That's a epic wing embrace in that picture. Re-sizing the chin really helped with the femininity of Rainbow Dash. I don't really have much to add about coloring and shadows, knowing little about these things myself.
On the prescriptive on the window and scenery outside. It looks nice, but it the prespective looks a little weird. The horizon outside doesn't seem to match up with the horizon for the floor. So it all looks a little weird and off. The actually horizon of on the world of Equestria is outside, yet inside the building my mind keeps thinking the horizon is lower due to the open doorway to the left of the scene and the floor there.
Ah I see, so it's in some form of development hell without a real leader or editor to make it all work. That sucks, as the premise sounds good.
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SpoilerStill working on that scene. I've reached something of a crossroads on whether I want to add anymore background ponies or not. As I started to fill in the background with shrubs and stones and things like that, I released the scene is already somewhat busy. I also have trouble placing anymore background ponies as everywhere in the picture is taken. If I place them near Twist, then she won't really be alone anymore and won't seem as important, she's already in the background already. If I place them near the CMC then they'll get crowded. I'm really at wits end on this one. And I really want to get the majority of this picture done by next monday. It's been dragging on for a bit too long anyway.
Perspective on the roady round stones is a bit off in some places but I'll fix that. The shrubs outlines are on the edge of the right house and underneath it's window. Just so everyone knows what those squiggles are supposed to represent. And the image is going to be probably cropped to be a bit tighter around the edges.
No perspective lines,
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2012-01-19, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hm, I never noticed it. The horizon line of the outside world does seem to be higher than the horizon line of the scene inside. Well, it's an easy fix, but then the "scene" outside the window ends up being mostly clear sky, as Canterlot is above most clouds.
Ah I see, so it's in some form of development hell without a real leader or editor to make it all work. That sucks, as the premise sounds good.
Well, if any good writers or editors here want to help with creating it, we'll be happy to accept the help! I don't know a thing about writing well (I'm more of a designated artist), and though some on our writing team do, they mostly lost interest after the first chapter.
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SpoilerStill working on that scene. I've reached something of a crossroads on whether I want to add anymore background ponies or not. As I started to fill in the background with shrubs and stones and things like that, I released the scene is already somewhat busy. I also have trouble placing anymore background ponies as everywhere in the picture is taken. If I place them near Twist, then she won't really be alone anymore and won't seem as important, she's already in the background already. If I place them near the CMC then they'll get crowded. I'm really at wits end on this one. And I really want to get the majority of this picture done by next monday. It's been dragging on for a bit too long anyway.
Perspective on the roady round stones is a bit off in some places but I'll fix that. The shrubs outlines are on the edge of the right house and underneath it's window. Just so everyone knows what those squiggles are supposed to represent. And the image is going to be probably cropped to be a bit tighter around the edges.
No perspective lines,
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Back to beating up Nightmare Moon, revision take 2:
Trying a variation of the previous pose with a more pronounced reaction, and moving AJ slightly away so that it doesn't look like her attack has already connected, so NMM is only reacting to RD's near miss, and preemptively recoiling from AJ and Rarity. Not sure what I wanted to do with the expression there, just tried something different to see if it worked.SpoilerIt'll look best if you look at it zoomed out - I never went beyond 50% when sketching this variant.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4152380/MLP_...tsAreHere9.jpg
Also, I tried doing a new drawing yesterday, but managed to make it worse than the drawings I did a year ago, so I scrapped it. For some unfathomable reason, experience gained drawing ponies doesn't fully translate to drawing humanoids. Who woulda thunk it?
edit: don't know why, but I can't see the image in the spoiler.
I can see it fine through the link though, so I'll add that under the spoiler as well.Last edited by Sean Mirrsen; 2012-01-19 at 04:30 AM.
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2012-01-19, 04:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not seeing any problems with that setup; the angle is generally better and nothing feels out of place.
And oh! Just had an idea for what to do with Fluttershy - have her tending to/protecting Twilight somehow. Right now she kind of derps the entire picture with her passivity.
Also, I tried doing a new drawing yesterday, but managed to make it worse than the drawings I did a year ago, so I scrapped it. For some unfathomable reason, experience gained drawing ponies doesn't fully translate to drawing humanoids. Who woulda thunk it?
Translates curiously well to drawing Powerpuff girls though.
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2012-01-19, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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That was one of my first considerations, actually, (but for Rarity of all people) until it became apparent that I'll need to change the whole scene angle and setup if I want her not to completely obscure NMM. I'll fiddle around with the idea some more, but I'm not having high hopes for coming up with a good solution. It would probably involve changing AJ's mode/direction of attack to free up some image space on the low center near NMM. On that note, I just remembered that in a bicycle kick that's not yet connected, the forward striking leg must not be straight, as that'll make the attacker lose too much momentum and won't allow consecutive hits.
On a completely unrelated note, I recently had an idea for a short comic titled "Appleduck season". No, "appleduck" is not a typo. It's a mini-crossover with Warner-verse. I don't know if it'll be as hilarious as it seems in my head though.Bearer of the Psionic Flame
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2012-01-19, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, you crazy people. I just wanted to say I was taking a drawing class at my highschool. That sort of counts as learning to draw, right?
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2012-01-19, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it is kinda like learning to draw. Except we don't get to see the gory details.
Trying to add details and outline the scene now:
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Not too sure with composition now that I moved Fluttershy, could use someone else's critical eye here.Bearer of the Psionic Flame
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2012-01-19, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is looking seriously awesome. I think the layout looks fine, but that's just me. Also I just noticed that that's not a candle on Pinkie's cake XD.
Anyway, I did edit the Trixie Twi fight pic, got it uploaded, then realised I'd made a mistake on the legs x_x So, that will come later.
And now, Diego's Drawing Adventure act 19, in which our hero attempts to draw a robotic pony from slightly below, with positive results.
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Based on this RP thread.
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2012-01-19, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Did you know that flour is explosive? Well, no reason cakes can't be too.
And now, Diego's Drawing Adventure act 19, in which our hero attempts to draw a robotic pony from slightly below, with positive results.
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2012-01-19, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Heh heh, awesome. Perfect for Pinkie.
That looks very nice. Kind of like something you'd see in a 60s "sci-fi" film. Zeerust up the wazoo, yet very stylish in its own way. It really needs wheels though.
Remember some comments earlier about how my robots lack a shoulder joint? Same thing, except in your case it seems firmly bolted in place.
How in the fifteen billion thermonuclear blazes of the Galaxy did I never hear of that site before? *goes off to register*
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2012-01-19, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok, I'm finally back in town and sort-of settled. Hopefully I'll get back to posting and commenting pretty soon. In the meantime, I'm glad to see everyone posting and practicing!
EDIT: Have some hastily-drawn animals! Who doesn't love those?
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I'm actually semi-ok with these, considering how quickly I drew them...I did use a reference for both though, because a week of drawing with only a phone has taught me that I'm still not skilled enough to draw things straight from my head without hating most of them.Last edited by the_druid_droid; 2012-01-20 at 12:38 AM.
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2012-01-20, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I guess I'll just be crossposting these between here and there then.
Updated last scene with most of the outlines. Now need to decide whether Pinkie and Rarity get to keep their poses.
Also, I still hate backgrounds.
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2012-01-20, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, Rarity's pose looks better but... I dunno, I feel that her right foreleg doesn't quite look right. I can't really give advice on how I would change it though. Maybe similar to how Fluttershy has her leg?
Anyway, today's offering is a quick gift for Thanqol, because why not?
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And the final version of the ATG pic:
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2012-01-21, 03:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh Twilight... even when fighting you still have a book.
I like them man! Is it Thanqol's birthday or something? (I ask because of the cake in the first picture).
Another announcement:
I bought myself a Bamboo Tablet. Now I can draw digitally. I feel so professional.
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2012-01-21, 03:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-21, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Happy birthday again, Thanqol. Sorry, had no inspiration for a fitting celebratory picture today.
In other news, at the rate it's steadily decreasing, my laptop will run out of available RAM before I even get to shading on this scene.
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If anyone has some kind of book on the mechanics of billowy clouds torn apart by violent directed air currents, I'll happily borrow it from them.
Still not entirely happy with everything, but it'll have to do. I gotta finish it at some point, after all.
Btw, has anyone else noticed how these Rangers form the other digital color set? Rangers usually go from RGB, while these are CMYK.Last edited by Sean Mirrsen; 2012-01-21 at 09:12 AM.
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2012-01-21, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-22, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Crossposting from Thanqol's thread, because it really would've belonged better in my own, but I don't have one; Pinkie and Rainbow Dash racing in bulldozers:
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And a pair of tiny practice sketches, one inspired by Thanqol's ideas:
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I don't really see all of the main six as Manticores, because a Manticore is a specific set of parameters, a very specific race - lion body, wings, scorpion tail. Only RD would qualify to be a real Manticore, I think.
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Back to the scene. A few fixes and major detail colors.
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edit: again not showing for me for some reason. Link:
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2012-01-22, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-22, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-22, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sort of a request from the current IA, I decided to try my own sort of twist on the overdone "Horsemen of the Apocalypse" thing.
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I ended up cribbing coloration and a few other things from this painting, though the background was just some generic grasslandy road thing I whipped up in a few minutes. I didn't really feel like doing a full pony version of that painting, though resisting the urge to include the whole lamb/rainbow/book from the top of the painting was very difficult.
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2012-01-22, 05:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't get a chance to upload anything yesterday, and I almost forgot today, but here's my draw stuff.
Yesterday, after the new episode, I realised I had never drawn AJ. Nor have I drawn a pony bucking before. So I did this:
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Based on:
Today I was tired and headachey, so I just did some minor practice things:
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Barely worth posting, but I'll feel guilty if I don't post, thanks to the one-a-day challenge thing.
@Derjuin: Looks good! They are the cutest bringers of the apocalyse I've ever seen! I like the green one on the left ^^
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2012-01-22, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the background is a start, but the pillars look a little uniform; I'd consider swapping in another architectural feature somewhere to break it up a bit.
Looks pretty good! Apoca-ponies seems to be pretty popular. I'm afraid I don't have many critiques, as I'm not sure how far you want your personal style to differ from the show's...
Looking good! The only things I'd point out is that the hair doesn't seem quite full enough - it needs more volume. Also, the front legs may be just a tad off proportionally, but the rest looks solid!
This picture also gave me a flashback to my attempt at drawing AJ, since I used a screenshot very similar to this one; it wasn't until I noticed that her hat was off her head that I could tell the difference...
Today I was tired and headachey, so I just did some minor practice things:
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2012-01-22, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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This reminds me that I haven't been keeping up with the show. Looks good though! I would probably mirror Druid_Droid's suggestion about volume. There's also the little ear detail (the curved line inside the ear), but I didn't actually notice it until after like 3 comparisons so it's probably not a big deal.
Practice is (almost) always better than nothing, so don't feel too bad about not being able to post some huge thing .
Thanks! That one's Death.
I tend to do twists on established styles (see current OotS avatar), but I think the biggest reason for the difference here is because I don't really use source material imported directly into Inkscape. I copy my proportion blobs and self-made references from one file to the next, but then it's sort of freestyle after that. :I I tend to use the same eye (copied and mussed and fussed with countless times to make new ones for each pony, ofc) and head/leg/body size, which makes certain poses trickier since I don't have one of, say, a pony laying down, or sitting. Perhaps I should start doing that, eh?
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2012-01-22, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm late again in posting, a small misstep meant I had to redo some of the stuff in my drawing. It's been years since I started working in gimp, yet I still make these amateurish mistakes.
I'm a stranger but,
Happy day-after-birthday Thanqol! Cause that's when the real party starts. *nods sagely*
I wonder what is the proper etiquette for day late happy birthdays from strangers.
Rainbow Dash is half-machine, Twilight has nightmare limbs, and you said it was a attempt to outdo Cupcakes. Sounds like something worth reading to me.
Call me crazy, but I like stories were everything goes horribly wrong then crashes and burns.
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Can't help with the writing, as I am rather bad at it but I hope it's done one day.
I can relate, I have problems coloring and shading human skin and hair. The skills in doing bright and varied colored pony hair do not seem to translate well...
Also, your new scene is shaping up great! It's nice and jammed packed with action! I can't wait to see the finished product.
I can't really think of any nit-picks at the moment and can't think of any exceptional ideas for a background.
Congratulations on the tablet! Quick draw and post something!
Apocalypse ponies, the end times will be cute. Very nice!
I love hastily drawn animals!
The snout seems less defined on the deer, unlike the fox, which has some shading underneath his, the deer seems to be lacking it so it's snout and neck seem merged a bit more.
I can't help but feel the head on both of them should be a little bit more defined from the neck. I know shading is supposed to help add depth and dimension for realistic stuff like this. You already seems to have some shading going on there, maybe make it more pronounced, darker stuff darker, lighter stuff a bit more lighter?
AJ looks good and on model!
But I must be annoying and point out that she seems to be floating because her front legs are higher then the tree trunk.
Also your eyes are very nice. And I must echo Derjuin, practice is better then nothing.
Thanks for the comment and advice! Alone in the crowd. I like it! I tried to follow it.
Pony art!
SpoilerI tried it, but I kinda ran out of good places to place ponies. So I add three more ponies. Still at least it seems more crowded now. The only other place that is open is the foreground, but I can't seem to be able to place one there correctly without it being distracting. So I'll just leave that open for now. So this is pretty much the final line-art, now I just need to clean it up and color it. Yay. I guess. Either this picture is taking too long or I should spend more time drawing. I'm thinking the latter.
Last edited by Bakuel; 2012-01-23 at 12:07 AM.