LGBTAitp - Part Nineteen

[noparlpf]

There is EVERYTHING hentai.
Pokemon is actually pretty good for it. Power perversion potential much?

I mean, there are the obvious ones like Harden. I think I remember seeing the line, "My Diglett used Bulk Up!"

[Asta Kask]

Dutch insurers pay for Christian anti-gay therapy
Published on 17 January 2012 - 11:36am
(http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/du...ti-gay-therapy)

Dutch national daily Trouw reports that a therapy intended to cure gay and lesbian Christians who consider their sexual preference to be sinful is fully paid for by health insurance companies.

Health insurance companies are obligated to pay for the therapy because the organisation providing it, Different, is an officially recognised institution for mental health care.

Medical organisations argue that the therapy is inherently flawed and potentially harmful. A spokesperson for Doctors organisation KNMG says: “As a general rule, a doctor is not allowed to offer a therapy that does not work. There is no scientific evidence that a therapy intended to suppress a person’s homosexual feelings would be effective.” He added that such a therapy could even be harmful.

Psychologists working for Different say in Trouw that homosexuality is not an integral part of a person’s psychological make-up but rather an ‘orientation’ that can be treated. The organisation claims a 30-percent success rate. Homosexuality is seen as the result of psychological traumas incurred during childhood such as a lack of clear role models and child sex abuse.

Health insurance companies are much embarrassed by the therapy. A spokesperson for the Achmea company says it rejects the therapy but is legally obligated to pay the bills submitted by these clients.

[The Succubus]

Dutch insurers pay for Christian anti-gay therapy
Published on 17 January 2012 - 11:36am
(http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/du...ti-gay-therapy)

Dutch national daily Trouw reports that a therapy intended to cure gay and lesbian Christians who consider their sexual preference to be sinful is fully paid for by health insurance companies.

Health insurance companies are obligated to pay for the therapy because the organisation providing it, Different, is an officially recognised institution for mental health care.

Medical organisations argue that the therapy is inherently flawed and potentially harmful. A spokesperson for Doctors organisation KNMG says: “As a general rule, a doctor is not allowed to offer a therapy that does not work. There is no scientific evidence that a therapy intended to suppress a person’s homosexual feelings would be effective.” He added that such a therapy could even be harmful.

Psychologists working for Different say in Trouw that homosexuality is not an integral part of a person’s psychological make-up but rather an ‘orientation’ that can be treated. The organisation claims a 30-percent success rate. Homosexuality is seen as the result of psychological traumas incurred during childhood such as a lack of clear role models and child sex abuse.

Health insurance companies are much embarrassed by the therapy. A spokesperson for the Achmea company says it rejects the therapy but is legally obligated to pay the bills submitted by these clients.

Oh, the joys of misapplied science.

"Congratulations, we've managed to help you supress an important part of your psyche! You can now look forward to many years of depression and anxiety as a result of this. But look on the positive side, when this stuff kicks in, you can come and see us again for treatment!"

[Asta Kask]

At least they're thinking about doing something about it:

In a reaction to the Trouw report, coalition partner VVD (conservatives) and opposition parties PvdA (Labour), Green Left Party and the democrat party D66 called on Health Minister to remove the therapy from the basic health insurance package. D66 MP Pia Dijkstra said it was absurd that the government should pay for a “pointless and stigmatising anti-gay therapy.”

Health insurance sector organisation Zorgverzekeraars Nederland said it was unacceptable that a Christian gay therapy was being provided under the guise of an apparently solid diagnosis such as childhood trauma, the treatment of which is fully insured.

[SaintRidley]

There is EVERYTHING hentai.
Pokemon is actually pretty good for it. Power perversion potential much?

Indeed. Pokemon has some of the truly good stuff.

[Lix Lorn]

I think it shows how cynical I am that the part of this story that surprises me is that the insurance companies are embarrassed by the stupidity.

[H Birchgrove]

I start to wonder if my Two-Spirit character should have shamanistic powers. In one hand, she specifically wanted to be a warrior. On the other hand, I like the "ecomancer" Tula in The Pirates of Dark Water, and wouldn't mind making some kind of tribute.

Bodybuilding isn't exactly the most feminine pastime. Most officiating bodies would be leery letting a transperson in for a few reasons. (Off the top of my head, the fact that they still have structural elements of the other sex. And the fact that transgirls can skimp on their meds, while transguys can up their dosage.) And there's the part where most high-level athletes already add bonus androgens. The last one is the only one that would really be medically tricky, though. FtMs would probably have no reason not to. MtFs, even lacking a medical drawback to being body builders, probably wouldn't want big muscles making them more likely to be read as men.

I see. All of that makes sense. Well, I don't condone doping, but nevertheless.

(I guess I'll need to handwave a lot in my pulp fiction... At least I "limited" the MtF character(s) to fitness rather than bodybuilding, but still.)

More on sports:
Now I suddenly think there should be male contests for Fitness and Figure competitions, like there is a female one for bodybuilding. (Nothing *wrong* with bodybuilding per se, I just like to watch toned muscles as well... ... and personally, I would be more inclined to get toned muscles for myself; though functionality matters most to me.)

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That... that just sounds painful. And reminds me of a former friend who was way, way too into hentai.

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I read somewhere about the absolute limit to how deep a (John Holmesian) penis could reach into a (cis)woman. IIRC it wasn't the ovaries that were hit, but the womb, but it does hurt a lot nevertheless.

Also, sorry for calling my you-know-what after a comic book character; didn't expect it would disturb you or anyone else.

What does "TMI" stand for, BTW?

[The Succubus]

Indeed. Pokemon has some of the truly good stuff.

...too much information.

[Kneenibble]

Sweet resolution:

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So I e-mailed my sister-in-law about the whole kerfuffle I had bemoaned yesterday. She called me later that evening, and was so unbelievably good about it. -- apparently when I had said the "coming out," thing, because of the Harry Potter glasses I was wearing and an earlier crack I had made about taking female hormones, she thought I was joking.

She's going to tell my brother for me, and then I can discuss it with him. & she (re)assured me that in spite of his casual homophobia, he's a completely groovy man. Which I knew; and yet my brain just works itself into big, stupid knots over these kinds of things.

All, ergo, is well. Especially knowing the difficulties people in this thread face with unsympathetic families, I feel fortunate as hell to have the family that I do.

Your whim is my command! *wraps kneebiter in a tangled hug from behind and whispers advice in his ears between knibbling them*

If it were me, *kiss* I'd follow up soon to make sure that the sib in question didn't have time to forget or assume you are snubbing them/decide to snub you. *nibble* Perhaps invite him and his wife over for another dinner, and have as normal a conversation as you can manage between delicate bites *delicately bites earlobe*. Follow up, as you see fit, with conversation on the nub of the matter *finds nub*. A fun strategy might be to swap celebrity crushes with his wife, you might be able to reach common ground and bond over it *rubs common ground*.

*monocle pops off* Oh my. My lens broke and the shards are everywhere. It's in my hair and on my clothes. I'm sorry. What a mess.

[noparlpf]

Indeed. Pokemon has some of the truly good stuff.

In terms of laughs, there were those two I saw that were pretty funny. The anatomy in those two wasn't excellent, though. And the plot was pretty much nonexistent. Hentai only qualifies as "good" in my book if it has a good plot with a cutesy story and the minimum amount of sex to qualify as hentai. I prefer the cutesy love story part.

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Sweet resolution:

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So I e-mailed my sister-in-law about the whole kerfuffle I had bemoaned yesterday. She called me later that evening, and was so unbelievably good about it. -- apparently when I had said the "coming out," thing, because of the Harry Potter glasses I was wearing and an earlier crack I had made about taking female hormones, she thought I was joking.

She's going to tell my brother for me, and then I can discuss it with him. & she (re)assured me that in spite of his casual homophobia, he's a completely groovy man. Which I knew; and yet my brain just works itself into big, stupid knots over these kinds of things.

All, ergo, is well. Especially knowing the difficulties people in this thread face with unsympathetic families, I feel fortunate as hell to have the family that I do.

Sweet. I'm glad to hear it's turning out alright.

[H Birchgrove]

Glad to read it went all right Kneenibble!

Some of you who are Facebook friends with me know that a certain website wants you to help to stop forced sterilization of transpersons in Sweden. To those who didn't know, now you know. Those who don't find it on Google etc can PM me (I'll try to reply ASAP).

Whiny stuff

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Blech, I've been feeling really dysphoric again these last few days... which made me notice something; I feel sorta detached / foreign to reality. It's like, even when I'm really upset, or angry, or happy, it's still like I'm just watching from the sideline. I've been trying to get back into spriting this last week as a distraction, but it keeps feeling fake.

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Aww, I hope you'll feel better soon. *hugs*

At least they're thinking about doing something about it:

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That's good to hear read.

Wait, just "thinking"? (Barbarian/Paladin is not pleased with this. )

[Thufir]

*monocle pops off* Oh my. My lens broke and the shards are everywhere. It's in my hair and on my clothes. I'm sorry. What a mess.

How do you afford all these monocles? You seem to be dropping one daily for one reason or another.

[Lix Lorn]

...too much information.

I can link you to some of my favourites if you like! Off site, of course.

[Kneenibble]

How do you afford all these monocles? You seem to be dropping one daily for one reason or another.

I buy them in bulk, for that very reason. Tesco has a 12-pack.

[The Succubus]

*monocle pops off* Oh my. My lens broke and the shards are everywhere. It's in my hair and on my clothes. I'm sorry. What a mess.

I hear the society ladies are already gossiping like mad.

EDIT: I see everyone's favourite barbadin has put that Mindflayer quote in his sig. The more I roll the idea around in my head, the more I see potential in a really strong parody of the Twilight series. It's something I'm tempted to expand on, although it would actually involve reading or watching the entire Twilight series. -.-

I'm thinking book 4 would be a sell out success, especially amongst the tentacle hentai crowd but what would the rival species be? Owlbears?

[Asta Kask]

I'm thinking book 4 would be a sell out success, especially amongst the tentacle hentai crowd but what would the rival species be? Owlbears?

Aboleth.

Do you know much tentacle sex this would spawn?

[Mono Vertigo]

Latest news: boyfriend's back! He's in excellent shape for someone who's undergone the surgery he had.
(He was in another city's hospital, and I was driving him back home, so this was also my first time going on the highway since I got my license, and my first time driving so far/fast/long. So, another source of stress, especially for my mother. Everything went more than okay on the road.)
Now, the hardest part comes this week: convincing him to have more rest and not run everywhere like he usually does.

[noparlpf]

No, it can't be aboleths. The other species would have to be something warm and fuzzy to compliment the cold slimy mindflayers. How about catfolk?

Edit: Unfortunately, I wasted two days a couple summers back reading the Twilight series. I think me reasoning for forcing myself through it was that I don't like to hate things I don't know about. Even though I knew I'd hate it from page one.

Latest news: boyfriend's back! He's in excellent shape for someone who's undergone the surgery he had.
(He was in another city's hospital, and I was driving him back home, so this was also my first time going on the highway since I got my license, and my first time driving so far/fast/long. So, another source of stress, especially for my mother. Everything went more than okay on the road.)
Now, the hardest part comes this week: convincing him to have more rest and not run everywhere like he usually does.

Cool beans!

[Asta Kask]

Now, the hardest part comes this week: convincing him to have more rest and not run everywhere like he usually does.

That's why every successful relationship includes handcuffs and a sturdy bed.

[Coidzor]

Hmm, Lupins?

Fuzzy Mushroom Men/Myconids?

I think it shows how cynical I am that the part of this story that surprises me is that the insurance companies are embarrassed by the stupidity.

They're in Europe, where even people of the mindset to go into that field know that it's just bad press and that someone done goofed.

To clarify, I was not intending to conjure disturbing mental images. When I posted, I was thinking of the other use of "balls deep", which is like "the act of doing any activity hardcore, all out, and as fully as possible". I usually don't tend to think of sexual innuendos first. Like last week when my dad showed us "History of the World, Part I", it took me a good fifteen seconds of intense thinking to figure out the joke "First Served, First Come" on the banner advertising an orgy. I usually get puns quickly, but sexual innuendos take some work.

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It's always interesting to see how people's experiences with words and terms differ. Around here, IRL, I've only heard the original, masculine version used metaphorically in that sense without anything sexual once or twice, more often I've heard it used metaphorically in a sexual fashion not referring to actual sex, which is a bit odd and uncomfortable in a way that I just have to laugh at the thought of someone becoming violently and deeply sexual with an essay or chemistry lab.

Though the purely sexual sense still outweighs even the sexualized metaphor sense in my experience, but that may be because no one in my social sphere uses it regularly because it is so vulgar except on websites that don't care about vulgarity like 4chan.

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I read somewhere about the absolute limit to how deep a (John Holmesian) penis could reach into a (cis)woman. IIRC it wasn't the ovaries that were hit, but the womb, but it does hurt a lot nevertheless.

Also, sorry for calling my you-know-what after a comic book character; didn't expect it would disturb you or anyone else.

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Yes, the implication to me is that someone is using a cutting implement of some sort or something not intended for congress, such as a spear. Or the person possessing ovaries has torn a hole in something and bodily climbed in until the entire lower half of her body and lower torso are engulfed, which is just wet and messy... Or it's a vulgar way of referring to standing in some unpleasant liquid such as raw sewage that goes past one's belly button. *goes to review if the ovaries are right below the bottom of the rib cage, right at that level, or slightly above*

It's less the name itself, though it does seem pretty jarringly bad as far as such things go in my experience, and more that you felt the need to share the pet name for your genitalia here.

[Mina Kobold]

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Hell, I love it when ye let me talk about stuff!

Alright, so, generally, I think some beards are pretty amazing, y'know, from a practical point of view. Like crazy Viking ones and stuff. Or really impressive muttonchops.

Speaking personally, I don't find beards attractive. I think they're kinda ... I dunno, gruff. I'm into elves, not dwarves. I can understand the attraction, but beards don't do it for me. (I would support my partner if he really wanted a beard, or if he wanted a beard and was unreasonably pressured by society not to have one. But since he's clean-shaven by choice, and there's no loss of respect that comes with choosing to shave facial hair in our society, it's all good!)

On feminism; I have noticed, in some groups, typically male-dominated ones, there is a beard worship thing going on. It's generally not too much in-your-face, but it can be a bit wearing, and I'd say even more so for naturally non-beardy men. Cracked.com is a good example. Men with beards are automatically assumed to be more manly and probably fight bears. Men with impressive facial hair are lauded, held as an example to all. It's often done in a very funny way and I suppose it's harmless enough, but it's a bit of a drag, especially paired with the constant "He achieved that feat doubtless due to owning massively large testicles". After a while, you're like "Sooooo, the more beard and the larger the testicles I have, the better a person I am? Fan-friggin-tastic." I know they don't mean it in a hurtful way, but it's part of the Big Strong Manly Men Are Great And Mighty And Powerful thing that does so much damage to women, men, transwomen, transmen, and probably every- and anyone else as well. No one ever says "I would never have had the sheer f***ing ovaries to stand up to the boss and then punch out that tiger like you just did!" ... Can we start that, as a thing?

Utopian Feminist Solution? Well, hopefully people will finally get the ovaries to say "You know what? Facial hair doesn't define being hardcore."

I sometimes glorify exceptionally extraordinary beards, but I think I do that for everything exceptionally extraordinary. Like really long hair, which I always get an urge to hug and play with. OwO

I honestly never used any reference to testicles in my speech (outside situations like this one!), I always preferred "They have guts!" or the Danish "Butt-cheeks of steel" if I feel silly. X3

Sorry for not responding to everyone who would warrant a reply from me.

So many interesting posts...

BTW, I'm going to make a "deviation" or two for The Purple Avenger, his Team Purple etc over at deviantART, partially because it will enable me to write about themes that would break the rules of these boards, partially... well I would do that sooner or later anyway. I won't use characters made by other members (The Goddess Legabitp, KenderWoman, etc) unless you really, really want me to.*

*Perhaps we could make our own page there for Giantitp Superheroes?

Telegram from Holland, sirady.

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"Meow!"

I have taken the liberty of translating it.

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While I am saddened that I can not inform you in person, I am currently fighting evil anti-LGBTA therapy from the hearts of this otherwise interesting country, I most certainly support this idea and allow you the use of my likelihood under consultation with Misser Keveak.

Your Sibling in Arms, QueerKitty

I myself have some mimicry of artistic skill, so I would be delighted to attempt a few contributions.

EDIT: I see everyone's favourite barbadin has put that Mindflayer quote in his sig. The more I roll the idea around in my head, the more I see potential in a really strong parody of the Twilight series. It's something I'm tempted to expand on, although it would actually involve reading or watching the entire Twilight series. -.-

I'm thinking book 4 would be a sell out success, especially amongst the tentacle hentai crowd but what would the rival species be? Owlbears?

If I may, I highly support a Mindflayer-based parody of Twilight and would also offer my attempt at talent for illustrations.

As long as I don't have to draw that. ._.

I suggest Changelings or other fairy shapechangers, they are not too obscure and would complete the Bloodsucker/braineater vs. Shapeshifter/forest-creature dynamic.

[noparlpf]

It's probably because one of my friends says "balls deep" in the non-sexual way pretty frequently. So I've used to it that way. At first I pictured it like getting into cold water all at once (you know, something hardcore) because getting up to the genitals is the worst part of getting into cold water. Later I realized that might not be what it meant, Googled it, and had an "oh" moment. Despite knowing all kinds of things I shouldn't, I'm surprisingly innocent at times.

[Kneenibble]

EDIT: I see everyone's favourite barbadin has put that Mindflayer quote in his sig. The more I roll the idea around in my head, the more I see potential in a really strong parody of the Twilight series. It's something I'm tempted to expand on, although it would actually involve reading or watching the entire Twilight series. -.-

It has the same potential for a niche following as the zombie Bronte books, only it's injecting a Deep Geek concept into a lowbrow book, instead of a Geek Lite concept into a highbrow book. All those eager to see Twilight smeared will flock thither. It must be done.

[Lix Lorn]

Oh god THAT'S what it means?

[Asta Kask]

I sometimes glorify exceptionally extraordinary beards, but I think I do that for everything exceptionally extraordinary. Like really long hair, which I always get an urge to hug and play with. OwO

You have this too? Sometimes when I'm on the bus and sit behind a person with a particularly glorious pony-tail I have to restrain myself.

Oh god THAT'S what it means?

I don't think it's physically possible outside Neil Gaiman's twisted imagination.

[Arachu]

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On feminism; I have noticed, in some groups, typically male-dominated ones, there is a beard worship thing going on. It's generally not too much in-your-face, but it can be a bit wearing, and I'd say even more so for naturally non-beardy men. Cracked.com is a good example. Men with beards are automatically assumed to be more manly and probably fight bears. Men with impressive facial hair are lauded, held as an example to all. It's often done in a very funny way and I suppose it's harmless enough, but it's a bit of a drag, especially paired with the constant "He achieved that feat doubtless due to owning massively large testicles". After a while, you're like "Sooooo, the more beard and the larger the testicles I have, the better a person I am? Fan-friggin-tastic." I know they don't mean it in a hurtful way, but it's part of the Big Strong Manly Men Are Great And Mighty And Powerful thing that does so much damage to women, men, transwomen, transmen, and probably every- and anyone else as well. No one ever says "I would never have had the sheer f***ing ovaries to stand up to the boss and then punch out that tiger like you just did!" ... Can we start that, as a thing?

Utopian Feminist Solution? Well, hopefully people will finally get the ovaries to say "You know what? Facial hair doesn't define being hardcore."

Yes.

I'm not really into beards at all (or mustaches, for that matter), but some of them are just so impressive I have to respect them.

Yes, exactly! Also, having a windmill in your beard is clearly awesome, if probably ludicrously impractical.

Not if you're holding it together with copper rings - you could use it to charge batteries.

I wouldn't recommend getting too close to an electromagnet, though...

To clarify, I was not intending to conjure disturbing mental images. When I posted, I was thinking of the other use of "balls deep", which is like "the act of doing any activity hardcore, all out, and as fully as possible". I usually don't tend to think of sexual innuendos first. Like last week when my dad showed us "History of the World, Part I", it took me a good fifteen seconds of intense thinking to figure out the joke "First Served, First Come" on the banner advertising an orgy. I usually get puns quickly, but sexual innuendos take some work.

I actually thought of the meaning you meant, until Coid pointed it out.

Which reminds me; ... ...

I start to wonder if my Two-Spirit character should have shamanistic powers. In one hand, she specifically wanted to be a warrior. On the other hand, I like the "ecomancer" Tula in The Pirates of Dark Water, and wouldn't mind making some kind of tribute.

You could have her be a warrior with some divination abilities. You may have to give her a weakness, to balance her out (perhaps a penalty to skill checks that require her to concentrate on the physical world?).

Also, sorry for calling my you-know-what after a comic book character; didn't expect it would disturb you or anyone else.

I cringed a bit, but that's mostly because I'm not too fond of genital nicknames to begin with. :shrug:

...too much information.

That's not weird at all, compared to what they 34 for the sake of having 34'd - for example, the number 34.

Latest news: boyfriend's back! He's in excellent shape for someone who's undergone the surgery he had.
(He was in another city's hospital, and I was driving him back home, so this was also my first time going on the highway since I got my license, and my first time driving so far/fast/long. So, another source of stress, especially for my mother. Everything went more than okay on the road.)
Now, the hardest part comes this week: convincing him to have more rest and not run everywhere like he usually does.

Anti-gay therapy

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Dutch insurers pay for Christian anti-gay therapy
Published on 17 January 2012 - 11:36am
(http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/du...ti-gay-therapy)

Dutch national daily Trouw reports that a therapy intended to cure gay and lesbian Christians who consider their sexual preference to be sinful is fully paid for by health insurance companies.

Health insurance companies are obligated to pay for the therapy because the organisation providing it, Different, is an officially recognised institution for mental health care.

Medical organisations argue that the therapy is inherently flawed and potentially harmful. A spokesperson for Doctors organisation KNMG says: “As a general rule, a doctor is not allowed to offer a therapy that does not work. There is no scientific evidence that a therapy intended to suppress a person’s homosexual feelings would be effective.” He added that such a therapy could even be harmful.

Psychologists working for Different say in Trouw that homosexuality is not an integral part of a person’s psychological make-up but rather an ‘orientation’ that can be treated. The organisation claims a 30-percent success rate. Homosexuality is seen as the result of psychological traumas incurred during childhood such as a lack of clear role models and child sex abuse.

Health insurance companies are much embarrassed by the therapy. A spokesperson for the Achmea company says it rejects the therapy but is legally obligated to pay the bills submitted by these clients.

I can't stand these programs. The very idea that one's orientation can be "treated" appalls me, and frankly it doesn't make sense to blame someone's parents for an issue that isn't even a problem.

Besides, if that were going to work then why hasn't it by now?

(I really want to take this further, but I'm neither depressed nor angry enough to make a good rant without flirting with the board rules right now.)

At least they're thinking about doing something about it:

This makes me feel a lot better. Not as good as crushing bricks with a warhammer, but better.

I think it shows how cynical I am that the part of this story that surprises me is that the insurance companies are embarrassed by the stupidity.

That's what makes me believe it - I can't imagine anyone making up something so absurd, so it must actually be happening.

[Mono Vertigo]

That's why every successful relationship includes handcuffs and a sturdy bed.

Check, and check
I mean
... you know, there's no way I can possibly seriously rpely to this without sounding perverted somehow, so fill in with your own innuendos and double entendres. Go on, it's free.

[Coidzor]

It's probably because one of my friends says "balls deep" in the non-sexual way pretty frequently. So I've used to it that way. At first I pictured it like getting into cold water all at once (you know, something hardcore) because getting up to the genitals is the worst part of getting into cold water. Later I realized that might not be what it meant, Googled it, and had an "oh" moment. Despite knowing all kinds of things I shouldn't, I'm surprisingly innocent at times.

...Polar bear swims aren't particularly hardcore, last I checked they were mostly something for old people, scandinavians, and people at summer camp who wanted to wake up but couldn't get decent coffee.

[Lix Lorn]

You have this too? Sometimes when I'm on the bus and sit behind a person with a particularly glorious pony-tail I have to restrain myself.

...
I'd like someone to play with my hair...

[Kneenibble]

...Polar bear swims aren't particularly hardcore, last I checked they were mostly something for old people, scandinavians, and people at summer camp who wanted to wake up but couldn't get decent coffee.

Plunging a sword to the hilt into a wound, on the other hand, is. Figuratively speaking. - which is the deliciously unseeable discovery that neparlepasfrancais made.