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Thread: Psion tier-hike
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2012-01-06, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Psion tier-hike
Psions are rated as tier 2 because:
A) They're essentially spontaneous casters, meaning they're stuck with the same set of powers for the rest of their days.
B) They must pick their powers (permanently) from a single discipline.
C) Psionic powers are seen as second banana to spells anyway.
Consider the following changes . . .
A) Psions can now prepare their "Powers Known" list on a daily basis.
B) Instead of being stuck with only one discipline to choose powers from, they choose a specialty discipline where they gain their extra skills and goodies from and a forbidden discipline to stay away from; all other powers are up for grabs.
C) Like divine caster, psions don’t need any sort of spellbook to prepare their powers; they simply choose an hour out of the day to meditate or something.
Leaving all other aspects of the class the same save the changes above, would the psion hit tier 1? Are the changes sufficient? Are they too little or too much? Is a different approach needed? Discuss, as I am curious.
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2012-01-06, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Psion tier-hike
The Tier 1 psion is the erudite. Even without StP, it easily hits Tier 1.
A) They're essentially spontaneous casters, meaning they're stuck with the same set of powers for the rest of their days.
B) They must pick their powers (permanently) from a single discipline.
C) Psionic powers are seen as second banana to spells anyway.
A) Psions can now prepare their "Powers Known" list on a daily basis
B) Instead of being stuck with only one discipline to choose powers from, they choose a specialty discipline where they gain their extra skills and goodies from and a forbidden discipline to stay away from; all other powers are up for grabs.
C) Like divine caster, psions don’t need any sort of spellbook to prepare their powers; they simply choose an hour out of the day to meditate or something.
Erudite.Originally Posted by KKL
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2012-01-06, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Psion tier-hike
So such a thing already existed? Good to know.
What book is the erudite found in?
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2012-01-06, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Psion tier-hike
Complete Psionic. Read it very carefully — by RAW, it actually gets way more unique powers per day than seem immediately apparent. It's actually listed as Tier 1 in the Tier list.
There's also a notable variant, Spell-to-Power Erudite, which drops its first-level bonus feat so that it can research wizard spells and manifest them as powers. You should be able to find it by google-fu, it's in a web enhancement. An optimized StP Erudite is really the only thing that can actually stand on the same ground as a hyper-optimized wizard or a psionic artificier.Originally Posted by KKL
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2012-01-06, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-06, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-07, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Psion tier-hike
Personally, I like the idea of simply increasing powers known similar to Pathfinder Human Sorcerers(?) so Psions have a place to be something other than their main theme.
Exception cannot prove the rule. It disproves it.